Randy, I did not intend to get dragged into this minutia and sought to pull the discussion back to the original focus and quite frankly I thought you(and others) had more to offer then that. I certainly thought more highly of you then that. I f you feel the conversation should be directed to spelling errors - so be it, when your done debating the source of the fopaugh - great perhaps we can then have a meaningful discussion or freindly debate , in the mean time I don't find a lot of value in it so count me out Cya ----- Original Message ----- From: acara1997@xxxxxxx To: "Lindenhill German Shepherds" <lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 5:31:35 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Prosternum or Posternum? Oh come on Mike! Are you saying that one interpreter was universally responsible for a century of mis-use by virtually hundreds of credible authorities on the subject including the Founder of Breed? lol... Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds! Re-read Peggy's post as it was very factual and informative. I do not own a breed specific book or publication (and I have most) that uses the word "Posternum"! Some of which include the more notable authors such as: Von Stephanitz, Goldbecker, Bennett, Strickland-Moses, GSD Encyclopedia, etc., and there are many, many more! Additionally, the written Breed Standards adopted by the SV, GSDCA and AKC are all WRONG? And most importantly, that the misuse of this term was remarkably uncovered by you on this List! Brilliant... Is this what you are saying Mike as surely don't want to mis-quote you? I to would prefer closure on the topic, however, as a student of the breed I prefer accuracy and facts in lieu of possibilities, generalities and speculation when it comes to breed specific history... Call it what you want, I'm sticking with Max! ,) Regards, Randy Darnell Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: Lindenhill German Shepherds <lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 21:45:38 +0000 (UTC) To: <acara1997@xxxxxxx> Cc: <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Prosternum in bugs - Posternum in Mammals Actually Randy, the interpreter responsible for the German to English transcription used the word....................... Enough already, you've buried the discussion in nonsensical flutter M ----- Original Message ----- From: acara1997@xxxxxxx To: Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 2:40:52 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Prosternum in bugs - Posternum in Mammals Thank you Peggy and you are absolutely correct!  Moreover, I  appreciate the specific reference to this term (i. e. author, chapter, page, etc.) and how its usage amongst recognized authorities on the subject... It is unclear why would anyone that correctly understands "Dog and Breed" specific terminology would chose to reference an inapplicable source(s) to make a point that has such little relevance to the topic? To say the very least, its  confusing to those, novice or otherwise, who use these sites as reliable sources of breed education.  And frankly, who cares how the term is used in humans and bugs as I thought we were talking dogs, specifically the GSD! So as a point of reference for Jodi, Doc Zoe, Mike, etc., I might suggest a bit more reading on breed specific history before making nonsensical assertions that run contrary to the breed's founder, breed authorities, and the written breed standard!  As a place to start, Rittmeister (Calvary Captain) Max von Stephanitz uses the term "Prosternum" beginning in his first book (i.e. The German Shepherd Dog in Word and Picture, circa 1923) and quite frankly, that's good enough for me!  ,) lol...  Regards, Randy    ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================