I just wonder why we can run the local trials by charging all exhibitors $45, regardless of course. We do offer all courses, although have very low entries on B, a course that requires a totally different set-up, a large field, and has it's own set of headaches to the trial committee. It is sort of like charging the Advanced agility people more becasue they require more equipment. C course is based on the style of herding this breed was created for and is the reason this breed has all of the fabulous traits it does. I know it is hard to find facilities and training for this course, but why are we penalizing the people who are actually carrying on the historical use of the dog? Instead of encouraging c-course exhibitors to come to allow others a chance to experience the historical base for the breed, we are actually discouraging it by charging them more for entry fees. As you say, the facility does not charge per sheep, so this is not the issue. The issue is actually based on other organization's practices. Again, we manage to run trials for all three courses, fly in judges, and charge $45 per run. Period. While the surcharge is nothing comapred to the other costs of going to the Nationl, it is a fairness issue. Ruth --- On Sat, 6/28/08, Doris E <irrenhaus4@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Doris E <irrenhaus4@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Please send to GSD lists To: "showlist" <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 7:40 AM Sending for Sandy Moore, the Herding chair > > > Dear interested herding competitors: > We are preparing our herding trial Premium for the GSDCA Nationals. > This year we are able to have our National Herding trial in Ferris, TX > at End Gate Ranch. A lovely facility that is able to host all 3 > Courses! A, B and C! This is very exciting! > > I have a question. We are trying to figure entry fee costs for the 3 > courses. > A and B Course uses 5 sheep and is a 10 minutes course > C Course uses 20 sheep and is a 30 to 45 minutes course. > > _We are not paying a fee per sheep, as in the past. We are being > charged a facility fee which includes enough sheep to do all 3 Courses._ > We can only do a limited amount of runs because of the amount > of daylight, time it takes to run courses and heat. > _This is my question:_ > *Should all 3 courses be charged the same entry fee?* > Some think C Course needs to pay $70 to $75 an entry, while A and B > Course be charged $45 to $50 and entry. Some think that because C > Course takes 3 times longer and 4 times more sheep, that the entry fee > needs to be higher than A or B. > > Some think we should raise A and B course entries, lower C Course > entries and charge the same across the board, $55 or $60 per class. > > Last year we did Ranch dog Courses, in which case we used 10 sheep and > the course was about 20 minutes long. We charged $10 more than A > Course to absorb expenses for rental of extra sheep for that > particular course. > > What do you think? > > If you would like to email me privately that is fine: > sandystockdog@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:sandystockdog@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > Thanks ahead of time, > > Sandy Moore -- GSDCA Herding Chair > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================