In a message dated 2/10/2005 11:43:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, djur@xxxxxxx writes: Just because this person is smaller and has been unable to travel (as yet) far and wide to exhibit their dogs - does this mean they don t have the credentials needed to own a truely "pick pup" from a bigger, well known breeder? It totally depends on the circumstances. These days w/ the worries of zoning, becoming "over dogged" etc., two career couples, sometimes costs, a lot of people breed only for themselves. If someone has a litter they've had their hearts set on, then, no, I don't expect them to part with the one (or several) they want to grow out no matter who comes up the driveway and makes promises about how the dog will be grown out and/or shown. Now, they may "guess" right when "picking", or they may guess wrong and the star may get away. Who knows? But, I don't expect anyone to let me look at their puppies and sell me the one they may have earmarked for themselves. If I see something I'm drooling over, I may ask if the dog is available and if so, what the terms are, but "expect", no, I don't think it's fair to "expect". The only way I know to make sure you'll get your "pick" puppy is to sit in the whelping box and deliver your bitch's puppies <G>. Also, is it unrealistic to expect a bigger, well known breeder to guarantee the health and well-being of their stock (when the pup would receive the upmost in care and control while growing and maturing)? I am talking about anything that would compromise this pup from being used in a hopeful, future breeding program... If you are asking about a buying a dog as a puppy who can be competitive in the breed ring and later worthy of being bred, I think it can be unrealistic, yes. Now, if you want guarantees, buy a dog that is old enough to prelim and be vet checked for whatever else you'd like, who will be old enough coincidentally that you can see what you have as far as temperament and conformation. Be prepared to open your checkbook (very) wide, because by that time the breeder has taken (almost) all of the risk. In fact, by that time, if the dog is a star it's unlikely that it will be available. My own personal opinion and practice is that puppies who very well may be competitive later are sold at the same price with the same basic hip guarantees as companion puppies. For me, it doesn't make sense to charge a whole lot of money for a puppy and then have to replace a dog two or three times who may not turn out to be a super star. I've been on the other side of that kind of deal and it just never tastes right. JMHO Kathy visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================