In a message dated 6/19/2012 3:59:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, helenfranklin520@xxxxxxx writes: They can be shown now as you say, but they start off in a regular class WITH A FAULT. Shown in a long coat class, they do NOT start off with a fault, they start off on a level playing field with other dogs of similar type and can therefor be judged on just their conformation ONLY. No. They start out with the same fault. This is a way to dumb down a class to get something to win, that would not win in normal competition. I see it as the same as the amateur handling classes at the Futurity. I see nothing wrong with making a class for someone else to win. But, let's be honest about it. If a coat can't win in the normal classes, don't make a less normal class just to make that animal that would not win, get a win. If you can't hit the target, don't change the target. Evan L. Ginsburg Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================