Kathaleen is RIGHT ON.........except......those that really ARE "Breeders" in every sense of the word as I know Kathaleen is......stick with their ideals and the dogs they really think will really be the best for their goal and vision of the German Shepherd Dog.....and do no harm. <G> Part of exactly what Kathaleen has described is that we have for the most part become exhibitors ( and sadly, judges ....and breeders ) who are totally dependant upon handlers to make mediocre dogs look like great dogs with... bigger bells, more noise, speed, tighter leashes, digging in and flying to give the illusion of topline, and rear drive......with a handler at the helm presenting an illusion to the fancy and the judges with a host of doublers. As long as many continue to be taken in by this illusion of movement and outline, we will never get over the hurdle of being at the mercy of judges that go for the "presentation" and handlers that promote the sheer volume of output of some lines and dogs that go around the ring like a 'wind up toy.' We dig our own hole.......... As it is.......we continue down into this vortex of sheer presentation and not correct solid GSD movement that is athletic and powerful with the ability to turn, stop, gait slow and accelerate with powerful transmission while moving smoothly with agility and athleticism as they herd, guide, swim.....leap over tall buildings......<G>.....AND have goreous heads, good feed and pasterns, correct powerful follow through and that "look" when just standing.....with strong "bridges"....the back that transmits that power with no dips or roaches to hide...... or nicks that drop at the wither NOW we need 'camps' or as Kathleen says "cartels" ......professional doublers.... many 'set hand clappers' ......and we don't seem to really want to see a good German Shepherd Dog presented entirely on a loose leash............just gaiting............ Now where did I put that fire extinguisher..............<G> Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathaleen Strong To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:32 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] FW: Nationals To: 'zanebgsd@xxxxxxxxx' Subject: RE: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Nationals Zane: You're new to the game, and while I admire your spunk to make your opinion known -- I'd like to point out we have breeders who are focusing on several things -- SIDEGAIT is not one of them. I'm not trying to bust your chops here -- but if the breeders were focusing on sidegait -- we wouldn't have the degradation of movement we are seeing in the ring today. I'd say we have breeders focusing on (tongue in cheek): 1) What my handler tells me will win? 2) How can I practice the popular "target practice" method of breeding as many litters as I can to produce 5-6 decent quality puppies so I can tout my stud dog as a "top producer of "winners""? 3) What my handler/mentor tells me I should breed to so I can produce a winner? 4) If my handler/mentor tells me it's a good one and I write a check, I'll get a champion 5) Well my good athletic moving dogs are being defeated by what these "top producers" are producing, I better breed to them, because, I want a winner! 6) If they say it on the list that it's a top producer, it must be! Wow, I've never seen a dog with such a poor shoulder, bad croup, bad back -- hmmm... but this dog is a top producer! He must be a second-coming... if he can be a top producer and overcome these structural issues! What we have is... breeders who are not being independent, free thinking individuals. Instead we have a majority of breeders following the edicts of a handful of handlers or cartels. Of course this is not "every" breeder out there, but those free thinking individuals are becoming few and far between. I do agree with you, the headpieces on the dogs is not as good as it has been in years gone by. Kathaleen ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================