In a message dated 11/9/2005 2:15:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, donna183@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: > First - after each class we need photos - allowing 15 minutes per class, 7 classes which does not include veterans or winners is 105 minutes...> I would suggest another way of handling the photos. If you do dogs one day and bitches another,at the end of dogs or bitches judging ,you would have all your dogs or bitches gathering to go in for winners. Take the pictures before or after winners class. All dogs are there. The photographer is in place and all set up . The owners are there to get the dog's attention. One dog after another can be photographed in a very short time. If the Pres or Show chair is going to be in the picture, they only have to be at the area one time,instead of this getting everyone there after each class. Much more efficient ,much less time Easier for the photographer. I've done Bitches twice at the National,as well as Intersex.,and always did my photos at the end.. I feel as Barbara does ,you lose your momentum. If you do the Dogs one day and Bitches the next--its just like Specials. You judge all day,with a 45 min lunch break,and when you are through, everyone is relaxed and you take pictures. This taking pictures after each class,came about for two reasons,I think. Our Specialty Shows are smaller now and if it takes most of the day,no one minds. So we got in the habit of taking pictures after each class ,so everyone who wanted a photo could get it,and the show photographer could make some money The National is another ball of wax The other reason was, they do the gaiting video of each winner,or placer,and got in the habit of topping it off with a still photo. Believe me, it is much less wasted time(no down time) if you go right through and finish judging your dogs,and then take photos, I did the photos before winners,to give the open animal a rest. But it could be done either way the judge wanted it. Just something else to consider. Helen Miller Fisher ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================