I think what you see is what you are going to get and that the expense of the national should be planned on an entry based on the average over the last 5 years. We will never see a conformation entry of 1000 again, those days are gone. I think it is better to try to hold a show that fits the clubs means. My guess is that the entry will continue to decline. We had better wine and dine the performance people because they are what will help keep the clubs head above water. Does anyone know what the herding entry is? Terry --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Joan Fox <campaignersgsd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Joan Fox <campaignersgsd@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: National count clarification... To: LeBrowngsd@xxxxxxx, BAERENTATZE312@xxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 11:50 AM I have kept the counts for the last 8 years if anyone wants them. Beaumont is 123 less than Denver with the next lowest shows being Daytona and then Oregon. Location, location, location, Joan --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Peggy <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Peggy <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: National count clarification... To: LeBrowngsd@xxxxxxx, BAERENTATZE312@xxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 1:48 PM I think Lee is correct. With the economy in its current status, we are lucky to get this good an entry, no matter where the National is. Entries are down at MOST shows, be they specialties or all breed. People can't afford to buy dog food, never mind show dogs. Don't you people watch the news? Dogs are being abandoned everywhere, left behind in locked up homes when people have to run away because they can't pay their mortgages.... Even people who are financially comfortable (or better) have reduced their non-essential activities.........and dog showing, like it or not, is not essential. I don't think the entry is much different than it's been for the last 6 to 10 years..........altho it's a far, far cry from what it USED to be, years ago, but so are regular specialty shows way down. We used to need 2 judges to do the futurities...and that's no longer necessary, either. Peggy . > > > > You are talking about a Nationals that is not only in a coastal city but > in > a BAD ECONOMY. Please take that into consideration and I really do not > think > the entry for a coastal city is bad at all. I really think with the > economy > the way it is that even if we were in the middle of the US this year > entries > would be down. > > Lee Brown > ************** ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. 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