When I first got into GSD's, I was sold a bitch that had promise.....but as she grew I had my doubts. Because I made a commitment to the breeder to show her...I did.....unfortunately money was tight so I either showed her myself or had an unknown but talented handler show her for me. As she got older, she, in my eyes got less and less attractive.....certainly something that was not worthy of being a champion....but something funny happened at around two....she won and won and won....she finished just over two years of age with me and this unknown handler putting all her points on her.... Is she worthy of being a Champion? Well considering all her points were put on her by a couple of unknowns...I would say yes.....she still doesn't look much like a champion as she sits out in my kennel producing puppies for me....but one thing I now know that I didn't when I first came into this breed.....that bitch can MOVE. My point.....it isn't all about "looks" as some newcomers make the mistake of thinking. I've got a beautiful male GSD sitting in my kennel right now with one major on him....and he can't move worth a damn. I bet I could finish him in an all breed ring...the question is...why should I want to? Answer - to help his dam (the bitch mentioned above) get her ROM. I bet there are alot of dogs that are finished for that reason alone, not sure if that makes them worthy Champions or not. Cindy <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Sorry..the below statement( and some of the others I have read) are pure Bull Sh--!!..There are plenty of mediocre dogs that finish.I have witnessed them finishing..Here is a "for instance": Say, I had my heart set on finishing a dog I knew was mediocre( which would only happen if I were desperate)..I would drag him to BFE, someplace like Montana..Idaho or South Dakota..where it takes 7 dogs to make a major.. and try to get him finished with competition that could be equally as mediocre However you see I would recognize he is mediocre..that is why I am showing him where the completion is not stiff..How can you "claim" to have knowledge of this breed but yet can't or don't recognize mediocrity exists and believe that all champions are worthy...no wonder our overall quality keeps declining...the standard bar keeps getting lowered instead of elevated because people can't tell the difference!..You can't expect to breed greatness if you can't discern the difference between it and below average. NO WONDER people get shafted when purchasing show puppies...they either can't tell a good one from a mediocre one and they buy from breeders who can't either!!! C.Grainger > [Original Message] > From: David Fritsche > To: Showgsd-l > Date: 7/9/2006 10:43:18 PM > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Mediocre > > > Paul opines... > > > >. No matter what...the road to become a Champion of Record is none the > >less difficult > > but also worthy of praise. I clap for all of them. > > If I read my statistics correctly - and extrapolate a bit..... > * Each year there are about 50,000 GSD's born > * Less than 5,000 are deemed good enough to enter the show ring = 10% > * About 500 show for any period of time = 10% > * If 50 get their championship a year - I'm suspecting they are probably > disserving. > Dave > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. 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