I'm going to stick up for handlers here. There are an awful lot of people that can't get a dog to a handler, ringside, in good weight, good coat and super physical and mental condition. And there are some who want to be in the "show" game but just can't pick a good dog. Truthfully I've not had a handler say "no" to showing a dog I felt was ready (and I grow them out here and condition them here), or said "no" to showing a dog because I didn't use one of the males they are promoting .... Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) In a message dated 1/31/2012 5:02:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sallyhayden5@xxxxxxxxx writes: I Agee with everything you have said but how does one go about changing things . People sign on as co-breeders all the time and really have nothing to do with the litter Sent from my iPad On Jan 31, 2012, at 3:36 PM, Helen Franklin <helenfranklin520@xxxxxxx> wrote: > Hi Molly, > > I am a new (very) old wrinkled face returning and a subject I've discussed on another List is my > concern over the amount of influence handlers have in the breed. New people are convinced > that they have to send their dogs to "training camp" and/or the handler will not handle the dog. > Handlers select purchases, stud dogs, advertising, the copy "in" the advertising and everything > relating to the dog, at the owners expense of course. Sometimes the handlers find owners > that have substantial funds and use and abuse these owners. Sometimes the handlers have > personal vendettas and do not do the best for their clients or their dogs. Handlers should be > handlers first. Breeders are breeders and exhibitors are exhibitors. One can be a breeder and > exhibitor, but a handler should only be all three with the dogs they have bred. > > > > > > > Yes, it does look like we have had some new old faces back. > > For all of you that don't post but lurk, is there topics that you are > interested in but afraid to be on the spot or look silly asking? if there is > something you are interested in, maybe send to one of us who post daily to > ask for you, or send to the admin and they can post an anonymous question > for you. > > One thing is a given, nothing better dog people like to do is talk about > dogs. LOL > > Molly > > > In a message dated 1/31/2012 3:13:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, > sallyhayden5@xxxxxxxxx writes: > doubt the membership has dropped > > People Just wait till an interesting topic comes up to join in. > > Looks to me like some old time members are joining in again > > > > ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2011. 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