When we look at croups and toplines on Dal pups, what we see at 7 weeks is NOT always what we see at 6 months. Puppies with poor croups at that age, tend to get worse. Flat croups tend to lead to more kick behind and dogs who drop off have no kick and tend to stand under themselves. HOWEVER, in four square dogs, although flat croups look great in a stack, they lead to inflexible dogs who have a bit of a terrier topline. Now, my GSD bitch has been interesting. She started off with a bit of a hump in her back and I was assured it would go away as she has always stood way out behind herself comfortably. It did go away and she has a beautiful croup to go with it and beautiful follow-through. So my question is..... Based on how Jamie says it, if they have correct croups, they should have follow through.. Do dogs with correct croups NOT have proper follow-through? Would would make the difference? Long stifles, no second thigh? What would makes the difference more often than not? And do dogs compensate? Also, in GSD, what do you get if you have flat croups (not the proper angle)... I have probably seen it, but not thought much about it at the time.. Just another question to ponder. Jess Mac Paisley Dals (www.paisleydals.com) & The Shepherds _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007 ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================