[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Lack of maturity
- From: "Steve Grainger" <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "Barbara Galasso" <uwish@xxxxxxxxxx>, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 10:59:28 -0500
I have a theory on the "maturity" issue..it goes like this..if a young dog
is outstanding in movement..and the other dog is mature..but not the mover
that the young dog is..then the young dog should get the points..as the
mature dog..is just that..mature..he will never have movement..he is what
he is..and will never get any better. If movement is no longer a criteria
at Specialty shows..then we might as well judge cardboard cut outs of each
dog..as standing and maturity are all that seem to be important. A teenage
dog is probably the worst stage in the growth of our breed. I have seen
very substantial 9-12 puppies..hit that teenage stage..and turn into
stringy..leggy..gawky looking youngsters.who come back to what they were at
about 3 years of age.I consider this normal.and it should be judged
accordingly.. I cannot tell you how frustrated I am as of late by comments
I have heard at some futurities. I have heard young dogs and bitches being
raked over the coals for things that we should expect young dogs to
exhibit. In a young dog..I would expect to see..some looseness..maybe
higher on leg..not as deep in body yet. or in a young dog..perhaps not a
strong a head piece..for Pete's sake..this is a "puppy" match ..yet we
expect our puppies to look like adults..would you expect a 18 year old boy
to look like a 35 year old man??? C.Grainger
> [Original Message]
> From: Barbara Galasso <uwish@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 6/25/2005 8:04:47 AM
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Lack of maturity
>
> Can anyone tell me why a judge would have a male (teenage class) lead a
> very large class and at the very end change her mind and give it to the
> second place dog? The male that led the class was in the middle of the
> class in the beginning and put up first right away because of his
> movement and he continued to lead until the very end when she does her
> change. At the end she says to the handler, (of the NOW second place
> dog), your dog was the most outstanding mover of the whole class, but I
> gave it to the other dog, because of maturity. Can anyone explain this
> to me to make any sense of it? Isn't a teenager just that.....a
> teenager and many times will be immature? If a dog is showing
> outstanding movement, that means he's put together correctly, so what
> the heck does maturity have to do with winning? I've seen many young
> dogs win majors over "more mature" and older dogs before. I had a bitch
> take a major from the puppy classes myself. But to say he lacks
> maturity in a teenage class, I think is a foolish thing to say. Please
> tell me, where in the standard does it say a judge should be looking for
> maturity??? ....... and at especially at this young age? By the way,
> this was related to me from a friend in another part of the country, the
> dog has nothing to do with me, he was professionally handled, repeat of
> a top winning champion, so is a good youngster. I told her I would take
> this to the List because of the many judges on it and get their
> feedback. I left the name of the futurity out so no one would feel
> their stepping on anyone's toes about their judging ability. Best
> wishes, Barbara Galasso
>
>
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