I agree with Beth about control being the key element. I have never done Schutzhund work, but I have done personal protection work with my dogs. Back when I was doing that work, we were training along side police K-9s and doing pretty much the same training as they were. And yes we were using hidden sleaves, doing muzzled attacks and many other things that Schutzhund dogs do not do. However, I could and did stop my dogs on a dime at any time. I could also take them anywhere without fear of them being inappropriately aggressive. An example: I took my girl to the very first GSDCA temperament test at the Phoenix National. When Bob Penny (as the wierd stranger) appeared, she locked her eyes on him but continued to sit quietly at my side. Her eyes never left him. When he got to the end and became agressive, she was still sitting quietly by my side, just watching him. She did not feel he was close enough for him to be an actual threat. Jim Norris (who was leading everyone through the test) told me to say something to her. I did, she exploded in furious barking. When Bob turned to leave, I told her to quit and she did immediately. Needless to say, she passed the test and earned one of the very first TCs. Like in everything else, there are good trainers and bad trainers. It is up to the person who wishes to do Schutzhund or prrvate protection to make sure the trainer they are working with is a good one. Sue Mazzeo On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Beth Andrews <gsdbeth@xxxxxxx> wrote: > I compete and title my dogs in AKC obedience and Schutzhund. I belong and > am > active with the local AKC GSD club. ........ > Please do not paint all people who train schutzhund with the same bad > brush. To > me bite work is all about control. My control of the dog and the dogs > control of > its self. A well trained dog can be stopped mid run when going for a bite. > I do > not think schutzhund is for every person or dog. It is also not police K9 > training. We do not train with hidden sleeves or full bite suits. They are > trained to the sleeve only. > > > My dogs go to street fairs and other public venues and are excellent breed > ambassadors. They meet and greet the public very politely. Everyone I know > who > trains with the schutzhund clubs I belong to does the same. Thanks for > reading > my rebuttle rant. Beth Andrews > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================