Perhaps this verbage from the AKC website might help.... Section 2. Amateur Status. An individual listed as an agent is not eligible to compete in Juniors, nor any person who distributes rate cards or otherwise advertises themselves as handling dogs for pay in the show ring, or accepts payment for handling dogs. "Participation in Junior Showmanship is intended to encourage Juniors to learn how to care for and present different breeds. Part of the educational process could include apprenticeship or assisting professional handlers. Juniors may take their employers' dogs into the ring while still retaining amateur status." Sean "M. Mike Lynch" <cccaudiology@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Thats correct. Many years ago, when I was a junior, I was faced with the same delima. It was perfectly ok for me to show, but I couldnt be listed as agent nor could've have been paid for my services. After a while, I gave up on Showmanship and concentrated on the all breed rings. Of course, Now since I judge it, I can see the difference between the junior who obviously have worked for handler and those who havent. Usually, (not saying in all cases) the dogs are a little bit better conditioned, better groomed and have an overall polish to them and their exhibit. However, this provokes the question... Since I cannot be paid for handling a dog, lest Im out of JR. What happens if I work for a professional handler? Since I was 17, I worked for Mark and Sally George, Brenda Combs and the late Mark Shanoff.. when I was were, my duties were to prepare (condition, groom, etc) and sometimes present the dogs at the kennel. Was I paid, you bet I was, I wasnt working for practice! :-) Would this be in direct violation of the "renumeration" clause or does it fall under a "Jr. hjandler honing his/her craft?" Mike PS.. I would love if the AKC brought back "the question". Usually, I got stuck with the "How do you prepare your dog for the show, start to finish..." (When I judge horse show equitation, we are allowed to ask the riders questions..and of course, I ask, "How did you prepare your horse for the show..." you'd be surprised the amount of "blank stares" I get. Then youd be surprised some of the 15 minutes answers.. which I love! ====================== www.BlackHawk-Farms.com Northern California American Saddlebred Horse Association Vice President (Class of 2007) --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================