Wow. What a nut job. I won't sell a puppy to a home that has or is considering an electric fence either...NO EXCEPTIONS, lolololol!!!!! Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC ======================================= Well Kathy, I would have agreed with you until I met Khi. Khi was a huge bi-color with a brain as big as his body. I would come home and there he would be, in the front yard, out of the fence, waiting for my return. I put clips on the chain link gates. They did not work. I locked the doors. He unlocked them and left them open when he left. I put concrete around the base of the fence - the entire acre. He changed to jumping over. He would twist the door knobs and go in and out at will. He would jump to the top of the 6' fence and pull himself over. He would untwist wires around gates. He didn't go anywhere, just wait in the front yard, but I couldn't let him beat me. Finally the hardware man recommended an electric fence, explained it was high voltage but not high amps so it shocked but did not injure. I tried it on myself and sure enough it got my attention, but I was none the worse for wear. So I put it on the fence top and sure enough when I came home, Khi was out. So I reset the charger and then drove off as though leaving, only to double back and watch him. He stretched up, put his nose real close to the top electric wire, got back down, put his foot on the fence and started rocking it until it struck the electric strand, shorting it out, then checked it again, then over he went. I finally reinstalled the top wire so it was 3" above the fence all the way around and rocking the fence did not work. He finally stayed in. While I was triumphant at last, he was still finding ways to outsmart me other than the fence, and I loved him more than I could ever explain. What a dog. Dave ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================