This seems to be a trait that Pyrs, Newfs, and Ovtcharkas share, that rising to Grizzly bear height , teeth, some kind of noise that defies description, more teeth, slobber, an unspeakable glare and whites of eyes, and generally about that time the intended target is either running for it's life or has a sudden incontinence problem, lololol. Formidable, yet amazingly gentle giants with family. Interesting opposition. Still, NOTHING will ever replace GSDs for us, nothing. The Ovtcharka is more like a first line of defense....a HUGE visual deterrant, and if someone/something were ever stupid enough to come over our fence...Good Night Gracie. There would little left for the GSDs to finish off. Kathy >>>>>>> On 11/12/2007, ELG440@xxxxxxx <ELG440@xxxxxxx> wrote: > > If you want a thrill, get a Newfi mad, and watch what happens when > they rise > up in full height on the rear legs and bare their teeth and > growl. It will > bring religion to the disbelievers. > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================