Normally I try to send private replies- However whoever asked this question does not accept private replies and I don't intend to answer a bunch of questions in order to send a private reply. Seems like if you are going to be on a "list" you should take private replies. Just my opinion Carol Moore, Scharo GSD ____________________________________ From: Scharo777 To: act148@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 9/27/2009 11:17:06 A.M. Central Daylight Time Subj: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Housebreaking help If it was me, this is what I would try. (16 weeks is a good age to do this - but it will be work) GEt 4 crates. Crate everyone over night. Take one out at a time in the AM, and wait for them to pee. Put back in crate and feed. Take each one out in turn, the same way. By the time you are through with 4, the first should be finished eating. Start over, taking each one out to poo. It might help to take some dirty paper out in the yard and take them to the paper so they get the idea of what you want.. (I paper trained my first puppy and had to set outside with him fro 6 hours to get him to go outside _that was 40 years ago) The smelly paper should help them go sooner. Take them out of there creates every 4 hours to potty for about 1 week. Then you can probably start taking them out as a group. As soon as one goes, they will all go. They need the crating to learn than they simply cannot take a whiz anytime they want. Best of Luck! ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================