[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Hobby breeder guilty/expenses
- From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx
- To: rockannand@xxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:45:09 -0500 (EST)
Oh hell GF I don't EVER add up the show expenses or other routine health
expenses, (heartworm, tick stuff), or even routine health checks (OFA). I
don't want to know <G>. And dear God the last two years with the fall
storms we've had the tree and fence guys have had a heck of a Christmas! Over
$10K combined. I don't count that either....just write a check and forget
about it! It's a cost of enjoying my AM coffee and watching lovely dogs
enjoying their safe playground <G>. I do have nice fence tho lol <VBG>.
Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC
Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions
visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/)
In a message dated 1/14/2013 3:23:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rockannand@xxxxxxx writes:
Good points Kathy, but just the tip of the ice berg. There was a time,
when I spent over 20,000 each year, on showing to get the titles on the dogs
(that's low balling it these days). Why do that? Each puppy sold carried
those championship bloodlines. That was important. As breeders, we all
are dog poor. Just as the horsey set are horse poor. We love it, it's our
life. What is charged for puppies, cannot come close to what is spent to
get our puppies to market. When I told my Accountant I was retiring from
showing and breeding, he said "GOOD maybe you'll have some money now".
Kate Syssoloff
Rockannand
----- Original Message -----
From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx
To: terrycochran97756@xxxxxxxxx, stormygsd@xxxxxxx, rockannand@xxxxxxx
Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 10:26:44 AM
Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Hobby breeder guilty
I'll play...the last litter I bred (an I bred/own the daddy dog so no stud
fee this time), between pre breeding cTLI testing, progesterone, semen
evaluation, I am out $1100.
Somebody else can figure the immunizations, health checks, worming,
formula....
Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC
Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions
visit http://www.pinehillgsds.com/
In a message dated 1/14/2013 12:52:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
terrycochran97756@xxxxxxxxx writes:
What kind of a person would breed for quality and not expect to get paid
for it?? I am just curious
Ok How much does it take to raise a litter of 6 to 12 weeks. Let's say the
bitch had an implant and required a c section. Pups are healthy.
Anyone?
TC
From: Sue M <stormygsd@xxxxxxx>
To: rockannand@xxxxxxx
Cc: ShowGSD <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 9:46 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Hobby breeder guilty
With all due respect, Kate.. I think that "breeding to improve the breed"
is the biggest crock i ever heard, and yes, spouted myself back then.. If
that were true then why are the puppies sold for thousands of dollars?? if
the intent of the litter was to "improve the breed" then by rights the best
ones would be kept and the rest given (or at least sold for what it cost to
get that puppy to 8 weeks of age - which is not $2000 no matter how you
cut it) to those wonderful families.
But no one is debating the "rightness" or "wrongness" of commercial
breeders... the issue at hand is people breeding dogs for sale and saying they
are only hobbyists - but you can't have it both ways.. you can't earn money
to pay the bills and still say it's your hobby..
Again, these are only MY thoughts and opinions.. we are all entitled to
them and i am not trying to force anyone to agree, or to convince anyone to
see it my way - i am just engaging in a very lively discussion.. and loving
it!!
I understand that "commercial" breeder is defined differently in every
corner of the earth.. and therein lies the problem..everyone is talking apples
and oranges depending on where you are having the discussion..
> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 01:48:41 -0700
> From: rockannand@xxxxxxx
> To: stormygsd@xxxxxxx
> CC: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; inquestgsd@xxxxxxx; kgsawler@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Hobby breeder guilty
>
> I don't think it is so black and white. It would still be a hobby kennel
if the breeder's intention was to try to produce the best dog. Selling off
the littermates and putting those profits back into the dogs, to me,
doesn't constitute a commercial breeder. A commercial breeder, at least in BC,
must earn over $25,000/annually, have a tax number and a kennel license. I'm
a retired breeder also, and can say I sold a lot of puppies over the 30
years of breeding and showing that I did. I never made any money doing it,
loved the families who purchased them, made a lot of friends who are still
friends all these years later, and just about tapped out our pay cheques each
month trying to do it right. I do not think 'commercial' is a bad word
anyway. Money must be made somehow to afford the hobby and this way of life.
Whether I'm out there giving obedience lessons to offset expenses, standing
my dog at stud or whatever. It was always for the
dogs.
>
> Kate Syssoloff
> Rockannand
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sue M" <stormygsd@xxxxxxx>
> To: inquestgsd@xxxxxxx, kgsawler@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: "GSD-List" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 9:17:41 AM
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Hobby breeder guilty
>
> I read the news article sent yesterday.
> I am not judging, i say this from experience.
> She has, reportedly, 17 German shepherds. If she ls a "hobby" breeder,
what is she doing with 17 dogs?
>
> From where i sit a hobby breeder is one that has a few breeding/show
quality pets that they show and breed along with the Dog's usual family pet
activities...they are breeding for the joy of it (ummmmm puppy breath). They
sell those puppies with the idea to offset some of the costs of having that
litter. (registrations, vaccinations, vet costs etc)
>
> To me, anything else constitutes commercial. If litters are bred and
sold to offset expenses related to maintaining the rest of the dogs -
commercial, to offset travel and show expenses- commercial, to pay vet bills-
commercial.
> in these examples the breeding/selling is a part time job... NOT a
hobby.
>
> Back to my corner..
> Susan Madlung
> Shadowacre German Shepherds - retired
>
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