Sometimes we fail to give credit to the dam. Phanton's dam was a Big Boy (Sel. CH. Wilham Of Der Winterzeit) daughter. Big boy was a litter mate to Dbl GV Yoncalla's Mike. You need to compare the photos of Big Boy and Phantom. I think you would find a striking resemblance, except for color, in the two dogs. Bob Freeny -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ELG440@xxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 8:28 PM To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Hands on I liked watching Phantom being shown, but didn't appreciate him until I put my hands on him. He was handsome to watch, but astounding to be next to. Being black made him hard to see, but up close he was what a German shepherd was meant to be. Evan Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together In a message dated 7/27/2008 6:57:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Culzeans1@xxxxxxx writes: " This dog was a Hein son and a great all black dog. He finished quickly and the handlers voted him 'closest to the standard of any dog living' --that and being all black make him unusual." The photo in the book is of him at 14 months old. So I could agree with that..... **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================