I laughed about Saltzman and the smooth Border Collie. About ten years ago, I was handling a Great Pyrness bitch at a show, she won her class, and Fred Olson and I went back in the ring for WB. Well, she looks at Fred and I , and says neither bitch is worthy of points!! The young bitch I was showing, took a 5 point major under a breeder Judge the week before. I even had another Judge grab me as I came out of the ring asking what was going one. The owners of the two bitched spoke with her afterward and she really gave them some dumb explanation. I see she was not changed her ways. I watched one time as her husband put the number 1 Akita in the country over on the side of the ring and left him there, giving the breed to a class dog!! Cathy Kelstar Catherine Murch fmurch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================