In a message dated 1/7/2005 9:30:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, marhaven@xxxxxxx writes: Weimaraner Standard says "mouse-gray" or "silver-gray".........with lighter head and ears. As Syd says, they have an odd silvery brown/ blue cast to their color. Not to mention their nose and pads are lighter slate color and their eyes are almost yellow after they change from the china blue..... Still not close to the matte gray we would see in a GSD solid color gray if there were one........... So true...as I mentioned to John, "mouse-grey" is very a very warm (brownish) grey, at least according to the mice I see around here! SYD MAILBERG 425-432-4144 23910 SE 276TH ST MAPLE VALLEY, WA 98038 Updated Website quarter German pups and Amer bred pup _http://www.kingswoodgermanshepherds.homestead.com_ (http://kingswoodgermanshepherds.homestead.com/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================