Sent for Joan Fox campaigners@xxxxxxxxxxxx -------------------- Margery Golant Sent from my iPaq Pocket PC -----Original Message----- From: "Joan Fox"<campaigners@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: 6/16/05 7:52:09 AM -------Original Message------- From: Joan Fox Date: 06/15/05 20:59:49 To: edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx Subject: Reality check... was Tails Wagging/handlers Hey... and when it comes together you have handlers that will call you and ask to show your dog! My first handler was a mentor and a professional and VERY patient. He introduced me to people to learn from. I learned about the good and the bad in this game but never would do what anyone else told me to do, a handler or otherwise. We listen and learn and if we fail or rise to the top it has to be your way to be satisfied. It is not about winning, but about bettering the breed and if you do that you will win! My second handler.. no names.....and no years ago...... I fired because he fixed a show for my bitch. My third handler... no names... and no years ago.... I fired because he fixed a show for his bitch. We learn through out mistakes and failures or we are doomed to fail. We (the older folks) all have been through so many trials and tribulations in the years. So many times it has seemed futile to struggle, to stay true to the breed and what you believe but if you do and when you achieve your dreams without sacrificing your ideals the rewards go far beyond a win no matter how big. -------Original Message------- From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx Date: 06/15/05 13:40:51 To: edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: TAIL wagging the DOG/ handlers???? In a message dated 6/15/2005 1:07:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: what we have done in the breed is to give up too much control and power to HANDLERS...they are dictating too much where to show, when to show, to who to show to, who to breed to, who not to breed to etc.etc.etc....and God knows how much money many of them charge...and let me make this point clear right now...I AM NOT BLAMING PROBLEMS IN THIS SPORT ON HANDLERS...it is not the tail's fault that the dog allows it to be in control...but in "our" drive to win we turn over most of our power and control over to these skilled handlers, many times to our own detriment ( strong words huh)... I think I use some of the best and they don't tell me who to breed to, etc. I decide where and when I want to show, I decide when a dog is ready and THEN I get on the phone and see who's going and if they're available for the class I want to drop the dog into. Now, if somebody doesn't know if they have a showable/finishable dog, doesn't know the judges, can't tell which puppy to pick from a litter, can't get a dog in condition TO show, I guess they'd have to ask a handler for help and in that situation, the handler becomes a "mentor", and that's all well and good and a great way to learn, but I would think by the time you want to put two dogs together and have a litter you'd be past that and thinking for yourself. Kathy three generations of Dual Titled Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================