Don't want to be crucified but here my 2 cents on this.. I think American GSD have made a LOT of progress from the 80's ( I would have never own a Am. GSD then) but let's face it..A lot of the show dogs today could not handle police work, SAR or in my opinion any kind of work..We still see way too much spooky dogs , overanglulated dogs that drags their feets and could not jump a schutzhund one jump. I know I'm not going to make friends by saying that. Can someone out there is capable of giving me one AM. Bred show GSD( no german line in it) with a sch. Title or HGH?? Or an Am. GSD with the drive and guts to achieve a sch. Title? I do adore the Am. Bred GSD ( and in fact love the fact that they have less drive)...but I think there is still a lot of thing that has to improve on working ability..And sorry for saying this but having owned working dogs before, we are still far from what Captain wrote that the GSD is 1st a WORKING DOG..beauty is suppose to come after..That's what the SV standard say..not me!! AKC herding was made for for australian shepherd and border collies not for GSD, there is a big difference between working 10 sheeps and working 300 sheeps. The styles are very different and you have no gripping in AKC style ( in fact you are disqualifie I think if your dog bite the sheep). In HGH gripping (bite) the sheep is very important and on command. And the dog has to jump fence and work a long period..Overangulation and cowhocks are not a qualities in herding or any type of work. Did you know that working folks would love to separate the breed because they are so far apart..Am. Shepherd and German Shepherd..!! But they do have the most beautiful side gait tought!! JMO Julie ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================