I am sorry, but I do not feel that winning Breeds (all breed or specialty) or Groups should qualify a dog for the Parade of Greats. Best in Show maybe, but the other awards are too easily attainable and really, in my mind, does not qualify a dog as "great". But maybe my definition of Great is different than others... We do not want to keep lowering the bar and playing "limbo" with our quality standards. In the end, the attempt to be more inclusive and expand our numbers, will only dilute our perceived existing quality. Jeff Pyle Windfall -----Original Message----- From: Pinehillgsds <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx> To: foxhavengs <foxhavengs@xxxxxxx>; ELG440 <ELG440@xxxxxxx>; vicki.roye <vicki.roye@xxxxxxxxx>; Bokenkampgsd1 <Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx> Cc: Showgsd-l <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thu, Mar 15, 2012 7:45 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Feeds post No, that's not my point of view. was pointing out the inconsistency that some of the very same people (on his list) who had no problem at all with allowing dogs w/ DQs being warded V/VX honors at our national having a HUGE problem with having the arade of Greats expanded to include the dogs listed below. (Denise, currently they are NOT eligible). was also pointing out that in their haste, w/o studying all of the amifications of their (in my opinion ill conceived) vote, our board has more han likely set us up for a dog with DQs one day being in the Parade of GREAT ogs. f we consider allowing some of the dogs I mentioned below in the parade, I dunno'...haven't given it a whole lot of thought. I would think maybe a og in the top 5 to 10, perhaps dogs who have a certain number of "bests", aybe...I haven't thought it through, again, just pointing out the nconsistency of and total lack of logic between the two arguments. athy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC elebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions isit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) n a message dated 3/15/2012 1:21:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, oxhavengs@xxxxxxx writes: Sorry but I am a little confused, so I wanted to make sure I read the -mail below correctly. Your point of view is that if a GSD only shows in all reeds and has won numerous BOB, Group Placements and BIS should not be llowed in the parade of greats? Are dogs that only show or win in speciality r wins in both shows can be in the parade of greats? I thought if a GSD that won numerous awards it didn't matter if it was nly shown in all breeds, specialty or both. Does it really matter where their wards and rankings are in confirmation? I mean AKC has confirmation and o does the parent club are separating the two now. I just wanted clarity. That's is all Thanks enise Fox enise Fox oxhavengs ome of GCH.Foxhaven Good Girl Gone Bad of Windfall (AKA Rihanna) ent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- rom: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx ender: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ate: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:18:10 o: <ELG440@xxxxxxx>; <vicki.roye@xxxxxxxxx>; <Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx> eply-To: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx c: <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ubject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Feeds post I was pointing out the lack of logic. The other week folks were fussing hat a dog who had "only" won groups or "only got their GCH" would be llowed in the parade. So now a dog with a DQ can enter? Guess the board idn't hink that one through either.... athy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC elebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions isit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) n a message dated 3/14/2012 11:14:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, LG440@xxxxxxx writes: In a message dated 3/14/12 5:31:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, inehillgsds@xxxxxxx writes: Wonder how many have read that section of the P & P anual. Guess that needs to be changed too because if you are going to ave a erformance V/VX and they are invited to be in the parade, then I guess hites are now allowed in the parade. That would work just fine with me. I enjoy seeing who is the highest core in the obedience ring in the Parade. I am proud of our breed, no atter hat color it is. Evan Ginsburg sgard German Shepherds ttp://www.asgardgsd.com/ here Type Movement and Temperament come together ===========================================================================OST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the riginal author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of ny kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of he Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. 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