----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Grainger To: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx Sent: 12/3/2004 12:37:45 PM Subject: RE: was problems stud dogs produce, now "business" Here is what happens ..you start stating facts based on your knowledge about certain lines..and if they are not your lines..as well intended as it might be it..then it gets back to the owners of the sire and dam of the bitch...then all Hell breaks loose. Now I ask...do you think my opinion is really going to keep someone from breeding a bitch even if I point out these areas of concern??? Probably won't be breeding to my dog..but probably elsewhere, as usually most get pissed when you state the truth as evidenced by many list discussions. that is why we have been relegated to talking about the color and texture of puppy poop..and Christmas recipes...anything meaningful is interpreted by most as "insensitive" or "politically incorrect" After a few years of trying to "help" I have found out the hard way it is better for nearly all to find out on their own. .Giving advice is often interpreted as being a "know-it-all"..even if your record speaks for itself. Advice on breeding is much like stepping in and telling someone how you think they should be raising their kids...or telling someone their dog is unworthy of a championship and is not show quality..the next weekend they take a 5pt major...so then, what the Hell did I know.?..that is why my position is some things are better left unsaid and it is not my business to be telling someone about their bitch and what problems are behind her. Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: To: hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx;Diwri@xxxxxxxxxxx Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 12/3/2004 11:29:46 AM Subject: was problems stud dogs produce, now "business" In a message dated 12/3/2004 12:03:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Often I have people call and ask about breeding..they do not know their bitch's lines and the problems that are there..sometimes I know more about what is behind the bitch than they..but it is not my place to say..nor is it my business to teach someone about something they should already know about before breeding their bitch. C.Grainger That's a tough one...the "business" part. It might be, or it might not be. If it's someone whose been breeding a long time and darn well knows but doesn't care, then no, I wouldn't bother to point it out. For all others, I come down on the side of "might be". There are people who, if you tell them something they don't want to hear, no matter how pretty you say it, i.e., "that's not a breeding I would do/recommend because in the past lines "x" with lines "y" have produced a high incidence of....whatever....are going to go off in a snit and bad mouth you and say that YOUR DOG produces a high incidence of...whatever. But, I think I'd be tempted to weather that storm in the interest of possibly saving somebody along the line, (either the bitch owner or an unsuspecting puppy buyer) heartache. Besides, how can somebody "know" if they aren't told? Not everyone (gasp!) is completely honest about what is in a pedigree and/or has a mentor and if you don't know, you don't know...AND you have to ferret out truth from rumor and innuendo, which can be a full time job! That's not a hypothetical by the way. I actually have said the above. I've had both reactions, too....appreciative and going off in a snit. Kathy visit Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================