[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Entry Count - WHY?
- From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <hickoryhillgsd1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <barbara17236@xxxxxxx>, <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 22:16:53 -0700
I don't claim to know anything about Labs...that is why I was
asking...but I figured there must be a difference between the
"working" or "field" Labs and pure show dogs. Typically that
is the case in every working Breed.
That is pretty much what I was saying...that the 'divisions'
within a Breed IS part of the problem?
Here in Calif. we often see many of the same people at our GSD
Specialty shows and some All Breeds. Most are just glad
to be there, to see each other to see new puppies, and to see
the competing animals and just enjoy a show.
Are we all always happy with the winners? Of course not. <G>
Is there often a difference in the winners between All Breeds
and Specialties? Of course...but there is also a difference
in the judges, the judging, and the rings.
I am not assigning any blame to anything....but I STILL don't
think we can compare other Breeds or Breed show entries to our
GSD and expect to come up with the same problems or some magic
reason for the "rise and fall" of a Breeds popularity and the
size of their shows compared to our Breed. I believe there are
different issues and problems with each Breed.
For a while our shows were so big, Clubs had such huge entries
they had to call in a second Judge once the entries were in, as
they were OVER what AKC allowed for one Judge. CLASSES were as
big as one side is now.
Then all these Specialty Clubs started having two Specialties a
year...AND... there were a LOT of Clubs. It became easier to finish
a GSD....as there is now a couple more shows within a couple of
weeks if we miss some. With that..entries started to drop.
I also think that now the popularity of shows is fading away. It
just is not a major interest of young people and families that do
acquire a purebred dog.
I do not think ANYTHING or ANYONE or any BREED is to blame.
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.marhaven.com
-----Original Message-----
From: On Behalf Of Hickoryhill
Carolyn, with all due respect I disagree. labs have a MAJOR split within the
breed. perhaps you may not see it as much in your area, but duck and goose
hunting is huge in our area and in much of the mid west, south, south east,
north and eastern parts of the US. the field lab is leggy and other than a
few basic traits, doesn't really look anything like a conformation lab.
Hunters don't adhere to color guidelines for breeding their dogs, the only
thing that matters is a dogs ability to hunt. As for specialty shows,they
don't need as many as we do, as there is not a split within their breed
between all-breed and specialty. When I suggested our breed was divided the
other day into factions, I completely forgot the 3rd faction splintering our
breed, ie all-breed vs specialty! The labs that are shown at the national
and win, win at their specialties and at all-breeds.This goes for class dogs
as well Specials. there is none of this "Well he can't win at specialties,
but he could finish at all-breeds."
As a matter of fact our breed is the ONLY breed that has a division not
only between working animals, but within conformation animals! yes, there
are handlers in their breed, However there is a price difference for
handling.
Many all-breed handlers don't charge for their food( one told me that we
would eat if we were at home so how can we charge the client?") and their
class rates are cheaper. Many, not all of GSD that have a working a SchH
title can be,too much animal for a family or first time GSD owner. I used
that possibility in marketing my companion puppies. It was successful.BTW,
in my area, I know of one kennel that breeds every color of lab possible.
There are silver ones,
"red fox" labs you name it, they have it. The kennel dupes the public into
believing they are "rare" colors. Again, one can try to assign blame to all
types of peripheral reason for failure, but when you have 3 divisions
within the breed, each one working against the other, each one believing
what they have is the best, how can you expect to thrive???Christine
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,Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Entry Count - Seems good to me WHY?
To: barbara17236@xxxxxxx, Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
I don't think we can really address why entries in our shows
are failing by comparing our Breed entries to "other Breed"
entries??
.....I'm just wondering....
Do Labradors have as many Specialty shows in one State as
GSD do? Do Labradors have a German Bred/ American Bred schism in
their Breed?
Do they have more Owner/ handlers than our GSD do?
CAN they have more Owner/ Handlers than our GSD do because
of length of stride? ( Maybe even I could show a Lab.... <G> )
Do they have many 'off color' breeders that splits the Breed?
( Because they ARE 'off colors'..they of course do not support our
AKC point show entries? )
I tend to think that Labradors DO probably have the
"working" dog "show" dog split to some degree...probably not to the
extent that GSD do? Many of our GSD SHOW Champions have
Obedience, and Rally and Herding titles but not the SchH titles
...I'm just sayin..
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.marhaven.com
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of barbara17236@xxxxxxx
Subject: Entry Count - Seems good to me WHY?
The entry counts for the Labrador Retriever Club of Potomac
Specialty
(Frederick, Maryland) (not a national show) are as follows:
ENTRY BREED / BREAKDOWN
3 Junior Showmanship Competition
327 Retrievers (Labrador) SWEEPS 127-200(0-0)0
51 Retrievers (Labrador) VET SWEEPS 25-26(0-0)0
456 Retrievers (Labrador) BITCHES 0-417(0-0)39
301 Retrievers (Labrador) DOGS 260-0(0-0)41
133 Retrievers (Labrador) B.O.B. 0-0(79-40)14
I am posting these because there has been s much discussion
as to why show
entries
are down. However, once again, this Labrador Club
brings in the entries.
If they
can do it, why can't other clubs? And, this
is only a Specialty show.
They don;t even get close to these numbers at the National
Show.
So, what makes this particular breed club so different from
all others?
Judges? Club members? Location? Fun events and get
together's all week
long? Something for everyone?
Just some food for thought.
Barb Hively - PA
DNA. It's what makes a white, a German Shepherd
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