a bit of trivia, my friend who lives in England told me the reason the GSD is called a Alsatian is because after the war with Germany, they didn't want a breed called GERMAN shepherd . And they still call them Alsatian. my friend Ruth lived in Canada but has moved back to England to be close to family in her golden years, and took her GSD back home with her,(she has one of Ren McGregor's dogs) She wants me to come stay with her to see crufts but it seems I never have the time. Emilie C.Woodruff Windvane Kennels 5877 Gardi Road Kamloops,B.C. V1S 2A1 Canada http://www.geocities.com/windvanekennels years. When the first two won, the breed was still called Alsatian over there. There was tons of excitement when the first one won in 1965...the Kentwood dogs were very well known there and the Cardigans were famous all over the world.. If you want to see what the dogs looked like (along with all the other Crufts BIS winners) click here: http://www.the-kennel-club.org.uk/crufts/bestinshowroll.html Peggy > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================