When in doubt, check the standard: Neck, Topline, Body The neck is strong and muscular, clean-cut and relatively long, proportionate in size to the head and without loose folds of skin. When the dog is at attention or excited, the head is raised and the neck carried high; otherwise typical carriage of the head is forward rather than up and but little higher than the top of the shoulders, particularly in motion. Topline-- The withers are higher than and sloping into the level back. The back is straight, very strongly developed without sag or roach, and relatively short. The whole structure of the body gives an impression of depth and solidity without bulkiness. Chest--Commencing at the prosternum, it is well filled and carried well down between the legs. It is deep and capacious, never shallow, with ample room for lungs and heart, carried well forward, with the prosternum showing ahead of the shoulder in profile. Ribs well sprung and long, neither barrel-shaped nor too flat, and carried down to a sternum which reaches to the elbows. Correct ribbing allows the elbows to move back freely when the dog is at a trot. Too round causes interference and throws the elbows out; too flat or short causes pinched elbows. Ribbing is carried well back so that the loin is relatively short. Abdomen firmly held and not paunchy. The bottom line is only moderately tucked up in the loin. Loin Viewed from the top, broad and strong. Undue length between the last rib and the thigh, when viewed from the side, is undesirable. Croup long and gradually sloping. Tail bushy, with the last vertebra extended at least to the hock joint. It is set smoothly into the croup and low rather than high. At rest, the tail hangs in a slight curve like a saber. A slight hook- sometimes carried to one side-is faulty only to the extent that it mars general appearance. When the dog is excited or in motion, the curve is accentuated and the tail raised, but it should never be curled forward beyond a vertical line. Tails too short, or with clumpy ends due to ankylosis, are serious faults. A dog with a docked tail must be disqualified. Topline when stacked: It all depends on the stack -- a natural stack will show the higher wthers, straight back, sloping croup - but when someone stacks the dog to be very stylized, well you see style. Generally you will see a slope from withers to tail as the dog stands with the hind leg extended father than a normal stand would have it. Ruth --- On Fri, 9/19/08, Jessica MacMillan <spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Jessica MacMillan <spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Correct Toplines in GSDs To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 1:14 PM Okay - I have a question... What, in everyone's mind is a correct GSD topline, both moving and standing? I know what I think is correct, but I just went through my Review, studying like every new person to a breed should and there sure is a hodgepodge of toplines. I saw several with "humps" in various places - from their withers to their croups. I noticed a dog with a good croup, but what appeared to be soft back and I saw a couple who's moving toplines didn't match the standing toplines (and dogs should carry their toplines from the stack to the gait)... Some of the toplines/withers have to do with lots of the straight shoulders I see, but what is really correct? Several of these dogs were shown winning under breeder judges. Now I understand that you can only put up as good as the competition is on that day, but it seems to me that for correct transmittion from the front and rear, a good topline is incredibly important. I know it is dals. So someone (s), tell me what is correct and what would you fault more - humps/bumps or holes in the topline... Just curious.... 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