Do not correspond with them by phone use text or email only will save allot of he said she said with no proof later on(I'm a Judge on TV fan and you'd be surprised how many breeders get ruled against). Sounds like they have a vet with $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ signs I'd be careful. Personally I'd refund the purchase price and be done with them. You didn't authorize the other work so they should eat that. Low in rear (chuckles)sounds like an extreme rear...  Bob Neiman / Walled Lake, Mich. Owner Barkalot's Felonious Assault AKA Brat and the other half of B'N'B 9-10-1997 to 12-19-2004 Breeder/owner of UKC GR Ch.B'N'B-Barkalot's Cherish RN 3-25-2002 to 6-18-2009 Co-owner of Ketlyn's Black Widow  --- On Fri, 9/30/11, Ann Mariano <brittaleahnasa@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Ann Mariano <brittaleahnasa@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Congential Defect..Low in the Rear?????? To: "showgsd-l" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Friday, September 30, 2011, 6:00 PM I have a difficult puppy person who from day one was difficult when they asked to negotiate the price, which of course I refused since he was my show pick male, and I had no issue with keeping him. They later agreed to my price since they visited other breeders whose pups were much less, and saw the difference in the quality of dogs. Soon after they informed me they were entitled to the purchase price, AND to keep him due to having coccidia, round worms and he would need emergent hernia surgery since their vet stated the pup was "unfit for purchase". My vet saw him, explained these are common puppy issues, the hernia was extremely small and may close on its own so he felt the pup had not been unfit for purchase, and the hernia was very very slight and could be corrected for $75 when he is neutered at 6 months, and did not need surgery now. I question their vet practice (known to be against breeders, advocate shock collars for training, etc.), and extreme costs and practices (they wanted immediate surgery and quoted a price almost triple that my vet had said). The girlfriend agreed with me, but she said convincing her boyfriend to change vets would be hard. At the time, I offered again and again to take the pup back (he was the show pick ad an extreme mover) due to circumstance and her boyfriend being so difficult to deal with, and felt they were not ones who would listen if anything else should happen. They chose to keep him. Sounds like they have a vet with $$$$$$$$$$ signs and are gullible to listwn. I'd refund their money for the puppy only everything else was done without your consent or or a contract. Well, I was right, it seems they stayed with the vet, and just paid an additional $175 when he was neutered for the hernia, and pup is now 6 months, and has a "low rear" and were told he may need "braces" to correct its hocks. Supposedly, they have an orthopedic doctor who says this is a "congential" defect, and her and her boyfriend are requesting I refund the full purchase price. The boyfriend wants me to call him, which I refuse sinceof my prior dealings with him, and have asked them to speak with their orthopedic dr. and have not yet heard back. Their email is below, and any thoughts/experiences with this would be great, since according to NJ Law "congential" defects are covered up until 6 months of purchase, but I just can't see how this can be congential, its just a pup will alot of rear. Hope this email finds you well. I have started a new job, and this is my new email address so you have it for your records. I wanted to reach out to you to make you aware of a few things that have been going on. A few months after we brought Sarge home, he seemed to be walking a little funny on his back legs, but Chris and family would just say itâ??s his puppy clumsiness and brush it off. As he is getting older, it hasnâ??t gotten any better, it actually got worse. We recently had him neutered and his hernia repaired (which was $175.00) and I decided to have the vet check out his back legs and do x-rays. After seeing him walk, and seeing the x-rays, the vet advised it was definitely NOT normal and we needed to see an orthopedic surgeon. Today, Sarge had that appointment. On a plus side, we were relieved to hear he does not need any surgery but the orthopedic surgeon and doctor informed us that he has very abnormal confirmation in his back end. He doesnâ??t stand properly and apparently he is much lower to the ground in terms of stance then he should be. They advised that this abnormality on his back legs is causing issues with the hoc on his hind feet and he is even growing additional padding to try and compensate. The doctors said that this is congenial and due to his genes, and he will need extensive physical therapy, and most likely ankle braces to re strengthen his muscles back there. If it isnâ??t treated properly now, he will always overcompensate and can cause permanent damage in addition to other health problems.  I spoke to a Physical Therapist a few hours ago and we are taking him there in a week for his first consultation, but as you can imagine this has caused a pretty significant financial strain on us. First Sarge had the cocidia, then roundworm, then the hernia, and now this the most serious of them all. I do not think for one second you intentional sold us a sick dog and whether you are aware or not of your dogs having any issues, sadly we have one that does and its going to cost us a SIGNIFICANT amount of money, very early on his life. We love Sarge with all our hearts and we will do everything we can to make him better  but in fairness to us we would like some compensation back. We agreed to paying such a HIGH amount to you because of the bloodline and medical history. Paying $1800+ and getting a 6 month old puppy with some serious medical issues wasnâ??t what we had in mind. As you know there are tons of dogs at shelters and rescues that need homes and are significantly cheaper and seem to have no health problems.  If you want to talk about this more via the phone, please call Chris on his cell phone. 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