In a message dated 1/12/2006 8:49:31 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, marhaven@xxxxxxx writes: Now most are like BOSS......solid black except for the tan on their lower legs and the patch under their tail......no face or chest markings....black. I don't know what a true genetic black is?? A solid black is a solid black. Most solid blacks develop the sprinklings of tan hairs around their toes and above the hock........much like a solid black horse develops the gold cast of hair around their loin area.>>> Most bi's I see are not that dark, tan legs, tan on the cheeks, under the tail , tan on the chest, the quintessential "dobie' markings. The true blacks I see horses or dogs, do not have tan or brown or variations in between toes, or on flanks or face, they are black...not fading with time. A thoroughbred or Arab with brown on the face or flanks or legs , no matter how little, is not black , but a seal brown or "black bay" . A dog with tan or red or brown on his legs , feet or face is not black but very dark bi color or dark black and tan. A true genetic black is non fading, tan on the legs no matter how dark, is tan, not a variation of black. The dog therefore is not a true black . Tan will not express itself in a true black of any species, at any age, unless it was there in the first place. You cannot have a color for which there is no genetic expression, no gene. If there is tan, red or a variation, the gene however muted, was there to begin with. That is why TRUE blacks can be so hard to come by. In horses , or dogs. With age, the tan or red shows through indicating that the animal was not a true black as thought early on, but rather a derivation of dark bi color, or in horses seal brown or black bay. Sunburning not withstanding. Kathy ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================