Bob..I still fall back on what Mr. Gaeta wrote. He defended his rep(right or wrong) which I would expect and he stated " we are considering not allowing GSD evening specialties when other breeds are holding theirs.." Gets no clearer than that. Other breeds are a priority..we are not..we are one..they are many!Right or wrong, let us remember that this all started with the alleged double handling.The double handling, and failure by some to quit, in turn prompted the reaction of the rep.Failure to comply by some, lead to the rep getting testy, and pushing the envelope( and people from what I hear). It is my understanding that in some cases the doubling was disruptive to breeds in other rings and there were complaints.Does this warrant being pushed or grabbed..NO..however keep in mind that the rep is the vehicle by which the AKC exercises its control..and the AKC definitely wants the GSD fancy to know that we are NOT in control and we are not the ones running this show..they are! Bottom line, is we can agree, we can argue on this list about the rep, what she should or shouldn't have done, what started this chain of events, etc.Doesn't really matter..all that matters is what AKC thinks! Finally, lets talk about the credibility of the letters written to AKC.I have been reading about folks writing letters who had no first had knowledge of the events that took place. Albeit I believe the intentions were good and the letters written by good people, writing letters based on hearsay has no credibility. If you were writing a letter to the editor..then that is the forum in which you can cite your "opinion" of the incident that you "heard" about. However if you are writing to complain about an incident, and expect your letter to have merit, it would help greatly if you were there and witnessed the events you are writing about. Events are often embellished. I have already heard many different "spins" about the events that took place at these shows some from people that were there, some from people who were not there.I would wager the AKC has received quite a few letters with different accounts of the events, especially from those who were not there.I would also wager they have probably received a few "I'll show you..." letters with stating what will happen if a rep ever does to them what the rep did at these events,( even though they weren't' there). When we collectively start a letter writing campaign with many of the letter writers not having first had knowledge of the events..what message does this send to AKC? I believe this is what Mr. Gaeta meant in his response to Becky D.when he stated that he had received some "credible letters. 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