The facts are Helen that AKC Registration #'s are down - WAY down ?? Entries at all shows and almost all breeds are down?? There are several other venues for exhibitors to partake in now that were not available or as popular in the 60's, 70's, & 80's.??Agility, Rally, Herding and others....? Times change and we adapt??? BUT we still go to shows every weekend and you know what?? We have great times with our clients and friends each and every weekend as we show dogs or just "hang out"???? So while some things do change, some things stay the same???? You may not have meant it the way Randy took it, but I can see how it could come across like you were being negative about one group in order to praise another????? You didn't mean it like that - fine? Just say so and it's done? Jeff -----Original Message----- From: helenfranklin520@xxxxxxx To: RChesnut70502@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:01 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Check out the numbers In reply to Randy Chestnuts post below.............. I have been a member of the GSDCA for 44 years, served on the board, founder of AOE, and contributed in countless ways for our club.? How dare you say that I am degrading the parent club....uh, what have you done on the parent clubs behalf?? I am stating my alarm over the decreasing number of entries and size of shows.? Using Ralph's statement, records live, opinions die refered to the non importance of your statements as the?numbers speak for themselves.? We must make this arena more enjoyable and available to new people.? The only degrading I'm doing is degrading those individuals that do not recognize the seriouness of what is happining. Helen Franklin -----Original Message----- From: RChesnut70502@xxxxxxx REPLY: In the 60's and 70's, we had to get a second judge when the entry went over 100.? The open class alone had over 20.? You don't see that there's a problem?? There is a VERY BIG problem.? Shows in the U.S. that are SV shows draw over 400.? The boy scouts are going to another venue, perhaps because they can participate in the show.? A show of 30, total entry, is absurd.? The ship is sinking and the boy scouts aren't around to save us.? DO THE MATH!? Records live, opinions die. Helen I remember with clarity the 60's and 70's.? Those were the Golden Years.? Now, for whatever reason, those days are gone, probably forever.? Why does there have to be a problem?? My life, as well as most, have many more problems today?than the good ole 60's and 70's.? ? Personally I could care less how many participants are in the S.V. shows.? They have nothing I am interested in.? That does not make me wrong on them right.? It is just the way it is!? Anyone can participate in our shows.? Most choose not to.? ? As for the ship sinking, maybe it is, but its my ship.? ? Since you quoted Ralph and Mary Roberts, for whatever reason, I will quote (paraphrase) Fran & Joan Ford. "Shepherds don't move on their ears."? Makes no sense, but neither di d your quote. ? Here is my quote "Don't build up the S.V. by degrading the GSDC of America."? Not a nice, or positive way to cure the Problem. ? Randy C. ? ? Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. 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