Yes, Helen there is a club that gives a GV and GVX title. It is the GSDC of San Diego. I did research on this and wrote an article for the Diablo Valley GSDC newsletter. This started at the time when air travel with dogs was not used as it is today. In doing the research I found that people of that time took trains to the National, had there dogs in the baggage car and took them out at each stop. The ladies of San Miguel Kennels imitated what became known as the Pacific Coast Victor and Victrix award and trophies. Tom or Vivian Brown could tell us what year, I have lost my research notes. Beryl Eshom, (who was privileged to have my dogs win the beautiful San Diego trophy a time or two.) Arelee GSD Davis, Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: <VPREZHMF@xxxxxxx> To: <mgolant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <LEWIEB@xxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 6:49 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Central location > > No ,they don't have a run off for the > final GV& GVX,because they don't have such a title. But didn't we used to have > a West Coast GV&GVX ?? and that was their title.. Anyway,we are going to be > forced to make some changes for future Nationals,I'm afraid. We don't like it > but we have to be realistic. Anyone else have some ideas ? Helen Miller > Fisher > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================