Carolyn, You're absolutely right! Normal GSDs don't attack the young. Last year, I took my 7 yr old GSD bitch, "Jessie," to a large veterinary college, where she's being treated for severe epilepsy. As I stood at the payment window writing out a check, I heard a kid squeal and then lots of laughter. When I turned around, I almost fainted! There was a 3 yr old toddler with her arms wrapped around Jessie's neck, trying to climb aboard. You see, Jessie had never been touched by a child in her entire life. Yet my sweet girl, who had just been through a stressful neurological exam, stood stock-still and allowed this baby to do whatever she pleased. As the kid's mom pulled her away, Jessie kissed the baby on the nose. This is a dog who was not only ill and stressed, but in pain as well. (Jessie has disc problems, front and rear.) This is what a good GSD is all about. That's why we love them. Paulette McGuirt -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [ <mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carolyn McKenna Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 8:09 PM To: showgsds Subject: @SPAM++++ [ SHOWGSD-L ] attack ? YES Yes, this subject is just about worn out, but I have not read the one point that truly reflects one of the important components of the temperament of our breed ------its instinctual discrimination. Kathy, Ileana, Carolyn, and others implied it and were right on in their responses, but perhaps it needs to be spelled out. This was a three-year-old. Socialization required ? Training ? Alpha stuff ? Let's face it, if you put a three month old puppy with a grown dog and that dog attacked the puppy, you would recognize a problem. Normal GSDs do not attack a baby anything, no matter how rough the baby is. The dog may mouth the baby to control its action, hold it down with a paw, or get up and move away. There is a scent that emanates from a baby animal that is hormonal or something, indicating the helplessness of that baby. A normal GSD would never attack a baby no matter the provocation. I was "raised" by a German shepherd and did inexplicable deeds as a baby which he bore with quiet dignity and deep love. I would not have attempted to raise any one of my three without the help of a German shepherd, nor were their friends at any age and unattended ever in any danger, more often protected. Nope, we devise temperament tests for our dogs but make excuses for behavior so foreign to our breed. Go figure. Carolyn Carolyn McKenna 361-293-5389 ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - <http://www.showgsd.org> http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================