[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: CHIC
- From: brian and sara minsk <ninemaplefarm@xxxxxx>
- To: MORGAN LEWIS <shadowland22000@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 12:14:05 -0500
I would appreciate if anyone can provide a list of the actual dogs that have
incorrect DM Test results from DM. This is quite serious.
I do not like speculation or rumor. I need an actual list of dogs provided so
procedure of testing and appropriate testing lab can be verified. I would like
to know the actual percentage of dogs that have been affected with incorrect
testing results to gauge the statistical significance of the potential flaw in
the testing system.
If a list can be provided than I can follow up and determine the causation of
the results. At that time, I will be informed to make a much more educated
decision regarding the validity of the OFA DM test.....
Regards,
Sara
On Dec 11, 2011, at 10:08 AM, MORGAN LEWIS wrote:
> In responce to the below statement, I believe that the only results that the
> OFA is showing are the test from University of Missouri. They no longer
> consider the FLASH TEST VALID, not even sure if it is available anymore. As
> for the other labs offering the DM TEST (they are identical to UM) and the
> results are valid, but OFA will not post them. (There is a lawsuit, or was)
> on patent infringment against these other labs. OFA has in the past has
> required the results to be from specific labs. (Thyroid for one). The other
> DM labs offer a less expensive product and quantity discounts.
>
>
>
> Morgan Lewis, RPh.
> Member GSDCA
> President Last Hope of Georgia 501c3
> "So Much to Do, So Little Time"
>
> From: brian and sara minsk <ninemaplefarm@xxxxxx>
> To: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx
> Cc: SHOWGSD@xxxxxxx; texasgsds@xxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 7:52 AM
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: CHIC
>
> Kathy,
> I find your experience with cardiac testing interesting. Do you know if the
> cardiac test was through a vet office or a certified cardiologist using
> echocardiogram and color doppler?
>
> In regard to the DM test, I have yet to hear of a false result when the test
> was done through OFA (based on my research). But, I did notice that OFA
> stopped accepting other DM test results from labs that were not their own.
> So, maybe some labs had different testing which resulted in false results. I
> would err on the side of caution and absolutely test for DM but do it through
> OFA. I tested my pup and it was pretty easy. You just really had to make
> sure the mouth was clean with no residue of food or bone or anything so we
> swabbed first thing in morning before breakfast AND that you don't
> accidentally touch the swab part! Just my opinion....
>
> Sara
> On Dec 11, 2011, at 7:36 AM, Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx wrote:
>
> > Good answer Kay although I must say I was disappointed w/ the OFA cardiac
> > test and if one were to be honest, the thyroid test should probably be done
> > every year to mean anything. (I just did a 10 1/2 year old, his skin was
> > getting dry, came back fine, naturally didn't bother to send it in).
> >
> > The reason I was disappointed w/ the whole cardiac thing? I learned
> > (through a lister, but it's actually true) that a dog w/ a murmur can still
> > get (cardiac) certified. Scratching my head wondering what's the point????
> >
> > I'd know at 6 weeks if a puppy had a problem. I don't know any serious
> > breeder who would keep let alone breed a dog w/ a heart issue. The last
> > time I had a dog at the vet I had the vet sign their cert, verify their
> > chip # and sent it along to OFA w/ $15. I guess I'll start doing that, but
> > again, for ME, pretty worthless.
> >
> > Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC
> > Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions
> > visit http://www.pinehillgsds.com/
> >
> > In a message dated 12/10/2011 11:01:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > SHOWGSD@xxxxxxx writes:
> > >
> > > 1)Do you think the time has come to change the CHIC requirements to
> > > include additional tests like cardiac and thyroid and, particularly,
> > > DM?
> > As I have previously stated, I was extremely disappointed when the
> > CHIC requirements were lowered and the tests for heart and thyroid
> > were removed. It made absolutely no sense to lower requirements just
> > to get the numbers up. How is that helping the health of the breed?
> > I sincerely think that the new officers and board need to revisit this
> > and bring the requirements back to what they were before.
> >
> > As far as adding requirements for DM and Mega, I think this needs to
> > be studied only for the fact that there is some concern by many that
> > the DM test is not as good as it should be. I don't know if this is
> > true or not. Since it is the only test we have I certainly think all
> > breeding dogs need to have this test done and the results made
> > public. I have tested my dogs for DM for years starting with the
> > University of Florida test many years ago and recently using the OFA
> > test. I understand there is work being done to develop a test for
> > Mega. If this does prove to be something that can be genetically
> > determined and the test is conclusive, I think then it should be add
> > to the CHIC.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kay Springer
> > www.showboatgsd.com
> > Home of Multi BISS & Multi Group Winning
> > Ch. Rohan's Reward TC,CGC,HT,RE,CDX, CHIC (h,e,h,t) DM Clear
> > "Strider" 80 BOBs #5 & #6 GSD 2009
> >
> >
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