In a message dated 9/6/2006 5:26:13 PM Central Standard Time, ELG440@xxxxxxx writes: Thank you Gary for the explanation. I do understand if there is a policy that only club members be mentioned then excluding Bob is proper. I didn't know of that policy and in the past it was not followed, but what is now the policy is what is important. I will try to find it, it probably in the P&P Manual. I do not agree with the secrecy of a vote and no one knowing who voted and what they felt. This is still a club of and by the members. This trend towards secrecy is not a good one, and should be reconsidered. I would think it would be better to let us know who is on this committee or why it was left up to the Membership chairman and Show Chairman? Is that a committee formed by the board, or approved by the members, or assigned by our President, or just a group of three? We need to follow procedure, and if there is none, suggest some be established. As I said, this is not a major issue, but from the number of people who responded, one of interest to a lot of us. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Evan first of all it is NOT Gary's committee. I "Patty" am part of the membership committee and this is the part of that committee's responsibility I send cards to the families of all deceased members and ONLY members. We have a criteria that is followed...and the longer a deceased member has been with the GSDCA then a donation is sent to either the rescue or the Foundation in their name made bye the GSDCA...I ask for this donation to be sent and I also mention it in the sympathy card. The only way I hear about deceased members is from the lists or if someone calls or sends an email. When issues come up pertaining to the deceased members and the names in the National catalog...i go to the 2 Chairman and get their opinions on what should be done...They are Nanci Nellis National Chair and Dania KArloff Membership chair...it is NOT my place to make such decisions on my own. Actually there is nothing thats says i have to ask...I can make the decision myself on who 's name goes in....but I'm a member of the show committee and the membership committee...and I feel I need the chairmans input. Evan if you want to take over this committee be my guest if you think there is some "Secrecy" going on. It was formed and approved by the board in 2005...I cant believe you are trying to put a spin on a innocent committee for our deceased members that there is something secretive going on. By the way read the minutes everything is in there...from 2005 when Ginny Altman was president ....Gary and Ginny worked to develope this committee. I cant believe your trying to make more out of what I do as sending sympathy cards and putting members names in the catalog to be remembers BY THE WAY I'LL HELP YOU OUT...P&P MANUAL (ONLINE) PAGE 68 "DECEASED MEMBERS PROGRAM" Patty Szymczak ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================