In a message dated 8/11/2005 6:40:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, helen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: What is breeding stock? Other than a superior long coated bitch that can be bred to a dog that doesn't carry the coat factor, I don't know what "breeding stock" is. I say this because the better the dogs, the better the litter in almost all cases. Why do we buy progeny from top breedings, because we want a copy of the parents. I would so much rather breed a Select Champion bitch then one considered breeding stock. Our best show dogs ARE OUR BREEDING STOCK. Why else would AKC say they cannot be neutered? Unfortunately, many don't have top animals to breed but once again, if you can get a dog with several top littermates that may be all you need. Dogs from a 4 or 5 champion litter carry the genotype to produce. Anyway, though this may be unpopular with some....show stock is breeding stock. Helen Franklin Boy, Helen, you hit the nail on the head IMO. I've always wondered why, if a bitch isn't "good enough" the common comment heard is "take her home and breed her". Then the idea is to try to "improve things". Give me one that is "good enough", or as you suggest Helen, one from a several ch. litter.... Kathy three generations of Dual Titled Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================