I think that over the years the term "breeding stock" has taken on a new meaning. What once ment "the stock which it to be bred (which should be superior to others)" now means "dogs that can't cut it in the ring but we are still going to bred them for the lines they carry". To me shows are for looking for breeding stock. Will someone please tell me that every animal they have seen put up, even for Select or GV/ GVx was something they felt should be aloud to create the future of our breed by being bred? If you do, I'll bet you are lying. I have never heard anyone say they liked every Select, every WD/B, every GV/GVx that was ever put up. I think that a lot of people have desided that the dogs that go in the ring are not really breeding stock but show stock, which is not to be bred but just watched (at least if it is not their dogs, and this only being an uncontouse thought). No dog should be bred if it does not represent the standard. And I see a lot that win that don't. Helen Franklin <helen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: What is breeding stock? Other than a superior long coated bitch that can be bred to a dog that doesn't carry the coat factor, I don't know what "breeding stock" is. I say this because the better the dogs, the better the litter in almost all cases. Why do we buy progeny from top breedings, because we want a copy of the parents. I would so much rather breed a Select Champion bitch then one considered breeding stock. Our best show dogs ARE OUR BREEDING STOCK. Why else would AKC say they cannot be neutered? Unfortunately, many don't have top animals to breed but once again, if you can get a dog with several top littermates that may be all you need. Dogs from a 4 or 5 champion litter carry the genotype to produce. Anyway, though this may be unpopular with some....show stock is breeding stock. Helen Franklin ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ Paige McLaughlin McLin German Shepherds www.geocities.com/jimchyn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================