Excellent point! My Brandy loves everyone. She's never met a threat and I am training her for therapy work. She knows people at dog functions all have food in their pockets and will give her pets. And, yes, she has kissed judges. For those reasons, I thought she would fail her TC at the weird stranger. She did not fail. She went to the end of that lead and watched and evaluated. I gave her as much lead as she wanted until she hit the mark she wasn't supposed to cross. She didn't bark or growl or have hackles up. But, she kept that tension and watched that guy until we were done. Brandy is very in tune with me and I am sure that had MY reaction been fearful or a real bad guy had crossed "that line", she would've ripped that lead out of my hand and gone after the guy. Discernment is something hard to find in a show ring. Fearful dogs can be trained to tolerate ring procedures. Hard/aggressive dogs can be controlled to withstand exams. Personally, I find the TT useless in really evaluating a dog's temperament. Too bad we can't find a way to judge dogs outside the ring and see how they really act. Laura Thomas -----Original Message----- From: James Barnhart <jim_barnhart@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: ELG440 <ELG440@xxxxxxx> Cc: showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 2:12 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: It is not brain surgery While this the ideal temperament according to the standard I believe rom experience that we need to have a broader perspective. I have ound that most important aspect of GSD temperament is a unique bility of intelligent discernment as to the situation the dog faces. have had dogs that are friendly to a stranger because they know the erson to be of no harm to themselves or their owner and have learned o like people. I have seen that same dog sensing possible danger hange into an animal ready to give it's life for you if need be. enalizing a well socialized dog for being friendly on the loose lead emperament test when perhaps it has gone through this procedure a umber of times is wrong. Jim n May 5, 2011, at 8:34 AM, ELG440@xxxxxxx wrote: > Our breed, the German shepherd is to be aloof. If the dog loves the judge and jumps up to give a kiss, in reality that is a temperament problem Laura Thomas ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================