Obviously, Evan has never read or seen "the Bad Seed." It is true that some dogs are born bad...but I believe some humans are born that way, too. In the same way that some children are naturally sweet and kind, some are just bad to the bone, no matter what you or anyone else does. We all know that genes can mutate or be damaged in our animals...why would anyone think it doesn't happen in humans, too? Of course, I believe that true evil exists, too, and there are people who don't believe that. Peggy --- Original Message ----- From: <ELG440@xxxxxxx> > > There is a very good book out called Another Chance To Get It Right by > Andrew Vachss. It talks about children and how they are not born bad, but > become > so depending on how we treat them. That is the central theme of all > Vachss > novels. > > I used to buy these books 20 at a time and give them to my divorce clients > who had kids. > > It is not the same with dogs as with children. Some dogs are just born > bad, > and we should be able to admit it. We can change the behavior, but not > the > central core. It shows one of our weaknesses, but something we need to > accept. > > You probably can find this book on Amazon, used, I think it is out of > print. > The last time I was in contact with Vachss, he said he was updating it, > and > I could have some of his private collection, but I never took him up on > it. > > I recommend the book to anyone who is interested in behavior, and genetic > impact, dogs or children. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================