I am personally not in the habit of rewarding a failed expectation if we realistically desire to change the outcome. However, it is disturbing to hear that you share a lower expectation of an elected office than many! So Dave, I ask you, WHO is responsible to see that these issues are corrected and do not continue to happen if NOT, the Corresponding Secretary? ............................................................................ ............................................... * As I understand it Randy, the ballots were going to be mailed out earlier than before but were delayed on that schedule by the board or executive committee so that the language for one of the proposed changes in the by-laws would be right. I was not privy to that time line or course of action, I simply know that there was 'stuff' happening and Sharon was delayed by a week (again, as I understand it, and that might not be the case in reality at all). She was delayed, she did not delay in mailing the ballots. ............................................................................ ................................................. Certainly not the Board as that would only serve as a conflict of interest to current members who are seeking re-election. Therefore, I would infer nobody from your position. I may be mistaken, but your response sounds remarkably like thinly veiled politicking to me ............................................................................ ................................................... * I am sorry if I came across that way Randy. I am assuming that the vast majority of the ballots are cast and the election is over. Up until this past week I have tried to limit my posting because of those possible perceptions, but I have to admit, when the broad brush of accusation came toward the recording secretary, I reacted. I usually wait to respond until I am not reacting and probably should have this time also. I have no desire to start or enter a list war where no one wins and everyone involved looks less than sane.... Those are entertaining to a point, but serve no useful purpose. I simply could not see how a statistical analysis of problems could lead to an indictment of the recording secretary. I'll bet she has messed up from time to time, just like all human beings, but to lay blame for all the ills of postal services, elections companies et. al. seemed like the old - everyone who died in the past six months had admitted eating carrots, therefore we should blame carrots for their death. Sometimes the question is wrong! That is, to ask who is wrong may lead to placing responsibility and fixing the problem, but sometime the real question is WHAT IS WRONG? It may not lie in a person but in a flawed process. Sometimes you don't need to fire anyone, but simply change the process. In this case, we set a time line when the ballots should go out (that has changed from time to time depending on the problems we experience) and we wrestle with certain factors that we do not control (Mail services). If we ask who should overcome these challenges we may simply create a turn over of responsible people indefinitely, placing them back in the same convoluted process and, as you admit, achieving, year after year, the same end result. That being the case I would prefer to ask about the process itself and how we do the election. If AKC says that we cannot do an electronic election, then rather than say: That's That - can't be done, - I might say AKC is a great organization, but they have not always been right (Please don't tell them I said that), and possibly we should mount a campaign to get them to step into the 21st century now on this item. And, I am not sure why we wait until we do to mail out the ballots except for the gathering of information and publishing it. Possibly the new board can revolutionize the time line and let the recording secretary mail them much earlier. You see Randy, I am not against you! I am on your side of the fence on this. There is a solution to keep this from happening. I do not think the solution is found in blaming the person who holds the office, at least in this case. ............................................................................ ................................................... and only serves to further reinforce the concept of mediocrity and accept continued failure with â??a great big hugâ??! As to the Canadian Mail Service, many of us have experienced no problem sending or receiving mail in a timely manner so letâ??s not build any more excuses on this premise. Regards, Randy Darnell ............................................................................ ................................................... * If the ballots went out at the same time and they did not arrive in Canada but did in the U.S. there must be a reason beyond the recording secretary. Unless we believe that she buried them in her back yard for two weeks so 'those people up there' could not participate - which is not like her at all. So, I would not call that an excuse but a reason and again, part of a flawed process rather than an irresponsible person - unless we find the mail persons who are responsible! <G> So Randy, it appears we are moving closer to agreement each post. You did not mention all of the same items that you previously did so the level of responsibility seems to be more narrowed and specific and I would simply like to refocus that toward a system, traditional way of doing elections - the process!!! I'll bet we can find a way around this problem and still love Sharon! That does not lower the bar and capitulate to mediocrity, but strives for excellence without sacrificing one hard working lady! I hope that better underscores what I was trying to say... And, by the way, by now all the votes are cast and on their way to where ever they go, - besides, I still think one can have more influence on the club by working for it and using the list and other means of influence than by setting on the board. I like that you want to solve these problems Randy, so please send your petition to me next year. I'll sign it and support your candidacy for recording secretary! <G> Peace! Dave ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. 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