I assume some of the humps are related to HOW they are handled and some MIGHT be age related. If they are age related, when do they outgrow them? I know what I like and I think I know what is correct, but what might I be missing? Jess Mac Paisley Dals (www.paisleydals.com) & The Shepherd Girls I think the biggest problem that is not being addressed -- is what you're seeing in the photos -- a lot of them are either just not good pictures (ie bad timing) or they are just showing what the problem with the dogs are. A lot of what I seen in the pictures is -- a lack of coordination. However, a LOT of the pictures show one thing too often -- a TIGHT LEAD. And if there's a tight lead -- well, it doesn't surprise me when you see exactly what you described Jess, humpy back camels. I rarely if ever have advertised using a motion picture, simply because motion pictures can too clearly define your dog -- and a lot of what I've seen in the Review in the past couple of years... well, the people would have served the dogs better by not advertising the movement shot. I'm sure that when my ad comes out in September of my dog Marcus in motion on both a tight and loose lead -- people may say the same thing -- but one thing you will see in both of his pictures... Complete co-ordination, balanced front to rear, and a nice topline. You will also see that his legs are fully extended and close to the ground. That's the reason I went against my normal advertising routine and put motion shots in -- simply because I think the shots show some of the correctness that is missing in a lot of motion shots making it into the Review. Now, onto structural things to look for that may or may not indicate that the lead is messing up the dog, or the dog just has a fault of motion: ~If you can see the backside of the extended hock when viewing a dog in motion on the profile --- well I personally wonder about that. ~If you look at the forehand at its fullest extension -- the rear leg on the same side should also be at its fullest extension ~Look at the correlation between the front and rear legs -- on the extended and contracted legs, there should be balance between them -- meaning, if the forehand is fully extended, then the opposite rear leg should be fully under the dog in the same level. 3 legs on the ground with a foreleg fully extended -- either a very poorly timed picture or something funky in the motion. A hock completely flat on the ground with an opposite rear leg "extended"... that might be a problem too. And again, as always, look at the lead (if it hasn't been digitally rendered out of the picture), as it could be changing the way the dog is actually functioning. ~Of course, the legendary hock follow through. When the foreleg is fully extended, the rear leg on the same side should also be fully extended, and ideally the hock shows flexion where it "opens" up, providing an additional foreward thrust to the motion, If you visualize this, it's like a straight line from the hip right to the paw pad. Of course, there's something to be said about seeing a dog in person. Some of the best motion shots have left me wondering when I see the dog in person, and vice versa -- some really aweful motion shots have made the reverse true -- really nice moving dogs sometimes aren't just that photogenic. It's always better to see them in person if possible and if not, at least a video can give you an opportunity to visualize some of the qualities of coordination, harmonious motion, power and forward propulsion that still shots just may have missed "by that much". Regards, Kathaleen ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================