We had an epiphany with one dog (GSD night), that was fascinating. Everytime the dog was turned to move to left (counter clockwise, same as we do in Conformation ring), the dog would move into the sheep and act up. Going clockwise, it was like an experienced herding dog. Now I know that when I graduated into Obedience Open Work, my instructor first had us throw a dumbell and watch to see which way the dog turned on the return. This was so that when the dog went over the jump, we had the dumbell thrown to an area that when the dog turned to return over the jump, there was a jump in front of him/her, not open space. So we have 'right turners' and 'left turners'. I just never realized that this would carry to full circles. I wonder how many conformation dogs just don't LIKE to go counter clockwise and if affects their gait? They might lengthen their gait and move much nicer if they went clockwise and look like a different dog. The dog in the 'herding' example is being worked ONLY to counter clockwise until he is comfortable working the sheep that way, but isn't that interesting? Stormy Hope *~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~* Dog's love is different, it requires no return UPDATED 2/11/06....CHECK IT OUT!!!! www.FairhopeGSD.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================