This could be a good reason for owners of males to consider collecting their males - it wouldn't help the owners of females if an illness befell them, but certainly could be a good back-up for males. I know a male who lived a very long life and many wanted to use him but by the time it was realized that his good health potential was of real interest now, the owner discovered his semen no longer was able to be frozen successfully. He was still able to sire litters, but his use down the road is no longer a possibility. Early collection might be the way of the future. If a dog then lives a long healthy life - his semen is there for the using.... collected in his youth while at it's prime. Also, having the frozen semen there at the ready, can often ease the grief of loosing a wonderful companion; or be back-up should they get an awful disease like Ben's 'Valley Fever' that robs them of their ability to bless your life with their offspring. Louise --- On Mon, 4/13/09, ELG440@xxxxxxx <ELG440@xxxxxxx> wrote: From: ELG440@xxxxxxx <ELG440@xxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] As I recall To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 12:14 AM In a message dated 4/12/2009 8:07:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, SoilentGrn@xxxxxxx writes: PS Someone suggested not giving select until 4 years of age. I would go further and suggest not breeding them until that age. I have heard this for years. I keep thinking of all the lines we would have lost to Dakota. He died before he reached four or close to that, as I recall. Ben, by four or so had Valley Fever, and was on medication and could not be bred again. It seems we would have lost a lot of great progeny. But, I have not studied it, and I could be wrong. Evan L. Ginsburg Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ************** ====================================================================================================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================