I totally agree with Carolyn- the dogs are doing what they were bred to do. As far as I am concerned there is no place on earth for them. When all of my grandchildren come to play I am very careful with my dogs. They do not know children and the noise and activity of 4 under 6 is unreal. If one of my dogs hurt a child they would be gone. My grandchildren only play with the ones that grew up with them none of the older generation. (and when I can't stand the noise anylonger I go to the Kennel with my ol people too) The first few years I groomed I tried a couple of pits and chows and then decided they were not allow in my grooming shop. You never know what may trigger them and they are much too strong for me to handle. sally ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================