Boy it lived to 16 years!!! and you bred it. I take my hat off to you. I feel that today most of our Shepherds live to about 10, and every year after that is a blessing. . I do believe the larger the breed the shorter the life span, I was told by a Wolfhound breeder that 7 years is the norm for thaeir breed and our border terriers live to be 13 to about 15, our old girl(border terrier ) is now pushing 16 years of age. but she lives a very good little life and is spolid rotten. Emilie Emilie C.Woodruff Windvane Kennels 5877 Gardi Road Kamloops,B.C. V1S 2A1 Canada http://www.geocities.com/windvanekennels -- Original Message ----- From: "David Fritsche" <dfritsche@xxxxxxxxx> To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 9:17 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Accusations /GAZETTE > This month's AKC Gazette proved again to be a wellspring of > interesting > articles. I don't know David Fritsche personally(> Christine > Grainger And you probably wouldn't want to... He's a friend of the Martello's and other such ilk!!! <G> My wife Linda took a group of our dogs to the mountains the other day, as is usual. After their run along the creek, she stopped at a little service station/convenience store for a soda, and the clerk was admiring the dogs and telling of his wonderful dog who had died from bad hips. The dog, he explained was sold to him by an unscrupulous breeder in Golden Valley, some minister who did not know what he was doing and produced bad dogs. She came home in tears and I grabbed my check book and headed back to the store. If I had sold him a dog that did not work out, I did not know it and I was set to make it right, on the spot, immediately. I did not recognize him, nor he me, so I introduced myself and asked about his dog. Was it from our recent Mandy/Sureman litter (Boss son)? - No, he did not remember the sire and dam but that did not sound familiar. Was it from our Mandy/Boss litter? No, it was a little before that.... I asked how far back before that????? Well, the dog died about a year before at 16 years old and for the last year of his life he limped and the vet told him it was just one of those Shepherd things - they all have it!!!! I explained the expected longevity of the GSD to him, ask him to not speak ill of me or my dogs if that is what I produced, put my check book back in my pocket and left. It is an imperfect world filled with imperfect dogs and imperfect people. We all hurt when we loose a good one, and it is not uncommon to blame, question or doubt when that happens. It is not uncommon to think the breed is going to hell in a hand basket when our experience is not what we desire it to be. But, reality is not always found in our emotions of grief. Dave Now Christine's friend too!!! ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================