In the SV *conformation* ring, it is extremely rare to see anything but black&red. The German's have bred B&R to B&R so long that the dogs are starting to lose their saddles. You do see tons of sables in the working lines and occasional Bi's and blacks, but those lines are quite removed from the German "show" lines. Re. the beautiful plush coats on the German dogs... Many carry the coat factor. Paulette McGuirt, GSDCA Member Wellborn-Allemande German Shepherds Qui Me Amat, Amat et Canem Meam ----- Original Message ----- From: <grnram415@xxxxxxx> To: <uwish@xxxxxxxxxx>; <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 2:53 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: AN OBSERVATION OF COLOR DEPTH AND COAT LENGTH Wow! That is so wrong! The Germans breed for type, that is for sure. However, they are also color blind. Like the Americans, most of the show dogs (only) you see will be blk/tan or blk/red. However, the Germans don't just do show dogs. They are multi-purpose dogs and come in all colors. The sables are loved by Schutzhund folks as they are lighter in color and aren't effected as much by the heat. Blacks are also popular but more as service dogs. I attend many venues of dog shows and performance events and see a good representation of every color. That said, I will agree that the pigment and coat depth (not length) does seem to be better in the German lines. However, eye color tends to be lighter than American lines. This is why I support cross breeding of the lines. Not to mention, ears seem to be an issue recently with the American lines, not to mention feet. The German dogs tend to have tight, correct ears and knuckled feet. I see a lot of weak ears and long toes in today's American line dogs, including my own, which I don't like. My next breeding will be to a German dog. JMHO Laura -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Galasso <uwish@xxxxxxxxxx> To: 'Showgsd-l' <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thu, May 20, 2010 11:03 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] AN OBSERVATION OF COLOR DEPTH AND COAT LENGTH http://insidethegermanshepherddogsworld.blogspot.com/ ===========================================================================OST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original uthor and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind re permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the howgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER F ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL ARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A IOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org ATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================