No Tom, we are not going to have a past administrators' forum on this issue. This thread is now closed. Your continuing attack on me, and further haranguing of the admins and choosing up sides in past admins v. present admins is not going to happen. You have been coming after me for weeks on the List, long before the present 'issue' arose, claiming that I am somehow unfair, although you are a party to none of it, could not possibly know all the facts, and have jumped to many conclusions in your animosity toward me and your paranoia as to the plots you suspect are out there. Throughout all of your tirades and diatribes, no one has lifted a finger to interfere administratively. However, enough is enough. This thread is closed. Do not post to it again. You are wrong in what you think you know. There is no conspiracy by me or anyone else to silence your friends, no plot, nothing underhanded was done, and no action was taken due to inadvertent errors. They broke our most important rule - and it is evident that this was done intentionally and repeatedly. No of course you don't have the evidence this time - why would you ? However, we both know that you are extremely familiar with the fact that one of the affected people has done this same thing in the past... You know that we do not discuss individual people's admin issues on the List, never have, and and are not going to now. While you may think you are a paragon of fairness and objectivity, many consider you to be excessively opinionated and not at all objective. Nevertheless, when you considered resigning as an Admin., on several occasions I asked you to reconsider, because I have always respected a mix of opinions, and thought that it was beneficial to the List to have that mix on the Admin. Panel. Your accusations about the "politics" of the new admins is likewise opinionated and insulting to them. Everyone has an opinion, that does not make them unfair or incompetent. We chose people who we felt had a lot to offer, either due to particular skill with content (i.e. Gail and Becky) or technical know-how to keep the infrastruture running (Cyndy and Cynthia), and not because of politics. Again, your paranoia is showing. If there were such an uncountable number of complaints about Evan, I do think it curious that I did not see them, although you did often refer to the existence of some, so I assume they were sent to you only, which in iteself is odd. As to Frank Tate, it is curious that your recall does not contain the fact that I had removed myself from any decision regarding him due to a potential conflict of interest. I also find it odd that you would claim to be so preoccupied with what you claim to be an insistence that the rules be followed and yet be so hostile to me - that should put you and me on the same side of the discussion, since I have been equally preoocupied with seeing the GSDCA's BY-LAWS be followed. List members have been asking that we close this thread, but, out of an extreme effort to be fair, we postponed intervening. However, enough is enough. Now you will no doubt tell people you called this one, but that too would be wrong - you didn't predict that it would happen, you made it happen, so now you can say "I told you so !". The really sad part of it all is that, in your rush to throw stones at me, you have rushed right past fact and reality, in your rush to judgment. I repeat, the thread is closed. Do not post to it again. Margery Golant Showgsd-l Administrator -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gsdman2@xxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 5:18 PM To: ELG440@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Do not darken my doorway .<snip>... I invite every past administrator of this list to give their thoughts on this issue. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================