Hey Mike, Just note I am congratulating Les and Cheryl Anderson on Ch. Scharo Ark Long Hot Summer for three Best of Breeds so far in Kansas City this weekend. She started with 3 Best Puppies at specialty shows, went RFB, took majors at specialties, won a group before she finished, and has multiple BOB both at all breeds and specialties. Every time most capably presented by Greg Eschett. There are a number of people out here who have been showing successfully in both rings for years. Carol Moore Scharo German Shepherds Home of 3X Sel Best in Show CH Scharo's Spellbinder ROM TC HIC OFA In a message dated 8/23/2008 10:04:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ruready8336@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: People, I have read and read and read and read these posts about ab vs specialty, my dogs are above ab rings and judges, your dog is a 3 pt major dog at best, etc, etc, etc.......now that I am done with my regurgatation process and am strong enough to write my 2 cents worth. Those who look down at ab dogs and judges...GET OVER YOURSELVES! THose who think that the only way to measure a top dog based on the standard is to have a GV or Select title in from of him/her,,,WAKE UP! If there is any sense to be made from any of these posts, it would be from those ab breeders, exhibitors, and handlers, etc who would point out that their dogs are shown successfully in the ab rings, they are actually able to work (whether they are titled or actually do something resembling work)...the problem is that there are none of these people on this list because they don't have time or they refuse to read this crap...they have better things to do. There is only one standard yet we Americans( other countries also) see the need to have two versions of it.. There are many reasons for this, the largest one being(in my opinion) is that exhibitors many years ago pooled together when their dogs were not winning in the ring and they decided to put their resources together and begin another venue for showing GSD's. Again, my opinion only, whether it is true or not I will never be made to believe different. IF you truly want to breed according to the standard, and if you feel the need to eliminate this ab vs specialtry mumbo jumbo, then you only need to refer to one reference and that would be the correct ht/lgth dimension of our dogs. 10 to 8.5? (corrct me if I am wrong) if this one part of the standard were challenged in the specialty ring 70 % or more(my guess) of the dogs being shown would fail this part of the standard! Come on now, if we were to really put forth an effort in comparing specialty gsds to the standard we would make ourselves sick in the process as there would be few dogs left that would adhere to said standard. Before anyone asks, I have not bred champions,yet, but I know a good dog when I see one. I am not kennel blind, and I feel that coming and going is more important than side gait. I will go out on a limb here and predict a dog that will do great things at the national this year. He is only two years old, and should go select(in my opinion high select), hell he could be GV in the next year or so. If I told the name of the dog, you hard core specialty folks would choke on you night time toddy! I will say that he is from one of those "dreadful" K named kennels that everyone loves to bash, and if I had the money I would offer a blank check for him! In closing there needs to be one show venue for our beloved breed, one that allows for owners/exhibitors, novices, and handlers to show with LOOSE LEADS, hav fun and be made dang sure that the dogs are first and formost the most important part of these shows. 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