<< but somehow he manuevered them towards the gates so he could shove them through as he got them off>> I had that happen once two big bitches, one pregnant struggling to keep them apart until I got to the kennel, they would get into it I would kick scream and finally get ahold of them and try to manuver to the kennel, got there and managed to put one in the kennel then the other and fell to the ground totally exhausted and shaking. After having that experience never never will I let two bitches together. Thankfully no one was hurt except for a tiny hole in one of the bitches foot but other then that nothing and I know I was darn lucky!!! When you have been through it once you never tempt fate again! -----Original Message----- From: juel <juel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:17:41 -0500 Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: A new, light-hearted question I was just wondering, what is the most German Shepherds someone has living in the house at the same time? Crates don't count. In the house, all the time, loose, except to go potty? **** I have owned seven at one time and everyone was free in the house and out - yes we crated at night and when a female was in heat, but all could be together at one time. Then the matriarch got sick and her daughter challenged her - even though she was sick, the matriarch would not back down. That fight was a frenzy as three others joined in - my husband was alone and it was all those dogs against the one. He'd get one off, then work on the other, and by the time he got another off, they'd circle around and come back again. Lasted for quite some time and he was exhausted, stressed....etc. but somehow he manuevered them towards the gates so he could shove them through as he got them off. We placed the daughter, lost the mother to Addison's Disease. All was peaceful for awhile..... and then the two males fought later. (I'd have to say I hate the bitch fights worse than the male fights). Placed one male. Had peace for awhile. Got a female and then got another female back. All was peaceful until these two females matured and went into heat at the same time. Had to start flip-flopping those two. My older female also got into it with her half-brother durign that same heat cycle.... More flip-flopping....then the younger female decided she was not going to submit to the older female and proceeded to try to kill her. Again - husband was home alone. Have had enough stress and placed all but three. Still own the macho blockhead German/American male, (as much of a brat as he is with his dominance he is my baby and few people could handle his drive), kept the older female who's goign on eight and Pixel, my Boss baby. I will never again go through what I ahve gone through the years. I refuse to do kennels and I cannot handle the dynamics of the huge pack again. Three is enough for me! The older ones are home and just get the run of the house and get spoiled and I am focussing all my attention on Pixel (agility, obedience and conformation) which is such a nice change of life! Judy in MN ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================