In a message dated 3/13/05 12:14:03 AM Central Standard Time, RChesnut70502 writes: In a message dated 3/12/2005 12:41:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, RChesnut70502@xxxxxxx writes: Imagine trying to build a house without being able to see the blueprint? I don't agree with this. Has anyone looked at a blueprint and tried to figure out what the building will look like? It can't be done, and that is why you always have a rendering of the end product as well. If you want a judge to know what our breed should look like, show him pictures of the good ones. Nothing will replace that. It seems to me that the Illustrated Standard might be good to show illustrations of faults, but only pictures of the finished product will show what we are looking for. I don't want to sound like I don't appreciate all the hard work going into improving the Illustrated Standard, but I find reading the written standard, mentoring, discussing the breed with someone while looking at it, the best way to teach our standard. Now if we were trying to build a dog, maybe a blueprint would be a good idea. But, only a breeder can build a dog, and then there is a lot of chance in it. Evan It would seem like this quote came from me, but it did not. I only agreed with the comparison. I still do. I also agree with mentoring, and the written standard. I cannot for the life of me understand why another tool such as the new I.S. would not be of value. Tell me why not. My father was a building contract all of his life. He was also a very good draftsman, and you could definitely tell what his houses would look like, from all angles. Randy Chesnut ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================